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Topic: Re: Non-Euclidean Arithmetic
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Paul A. Tanner III

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Re: Non-Euclidean Arithmetic
Posted: Sep 12, 2012 9:09 PM
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Wayne Bishop <> wrote:
>> The real problem comes with the "anthropogenic" cause

It is no problem at all to legitimate climate scientists.


In the last 30 years not only are we on the verge of no ice in the summer, but we are 1/3 of the way to having no ice in the Arctic not just in the summers but all year round including in the winters. This has not happened for millions of years. And we're seeing all this happen in just decades. It has never happened so fast naturally. I challenge you name even just one single legitimate climate scientist on the planet who says otherwise.

And finally this: Non-greenhouse explanations do not account for

(1) the rate of increase of the total heat budget (the total heat budget of the planet - heat in both the oceans and atmosphere - has been increasing at the rate of three Hiroshima nuclear bombs *per second* for these past few decades)


(2) the global nighttime temperature rising faster than the global daytime temperature


(3) the global winter temperatures rising faster than the global summer temperatures.

For (1), (2), and (3): There has not been a change in the the sun's total output to explain it, especially in the last decade, and there has not been a change in albedo (the percentage of the energy that falls onto Earth that is reflected and so not absorbed) to explain it, especially in the last decade, and so the only cause is the only one left by the process of elimination, a sufficient change in the percentage of the absorbed heat that is trapped via greenhouse gas activity and not radiated out to space as infrared radiation.

This denier claim that it is only natural therefore has no basis in fact - in fact, it contradicts the facts.

I challenge you to explain (1), (2), and (3) by either or both of the first two causes when all the legitimate published science says that the massive total heat budget increase and the *global* nighttime temps going up faster than the *global* daytime temps cannot be explained without a significant increase in the third cause.

And with respect to natural causes: EVEN the BEST team that was funded by the Koch brothers just came out this year with a new study showing that at least almost all of the heat increase that they measured cannot be explained except by human activity.

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