The Physics teacher and I (AP Calc AB & BC teacher) work together to introduce the topics at our high school. He starts in asking me about week two "are you there, yet?", but then waits to work the problems that require the power rule and other fundamental derivative rules until after I've presented them in depth. We require a co-enrollment in Calculus to take the AP Physics C course.
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-----Original Message----- From: John Hanna [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:46 PM To: AP Calculus Subject: RE: [ap-calculus] AP Physics C for students without calculus yet
Re: ...the physics teacher introduces basic derivative and integral rules without rigorous development...
Dixie, this is not a new dilemma - we had to deal with it back in the 60's and 70's.
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-----Original Message----- From: Dixie Ross [mailto:Dixie.Ross@pflugervilleisd.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:24 PM To: AP Calculus Subject: RE: [ap-calculus] AP Physics C for students without calculus yet
Most of our kids who do physics C are co-enrolled in Calculus BC. It does bug me that the physics teacher introduces basic derivative and integral rules without rigorous development. They know HOW, but not WHY. If he were to re-arrange his topics slightly, it wouldn't be a big deal because we will have covered all of the calculus he will need fairly early in the year. We basically maintain peaceful co-existence and the kids know that I expect them to learn the math to a much deeper level. What math he needs, he teaches as it comes up. When I sometimes get to it later, the kids' lightbulbs go on and they say "Oh! That's what he's been going on about!!" We have good AP results in both subjects in a very diverse, working class high school.
dixie ________________________________________ From: Cynthia E. Chin [email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 6:14 PM To: AP Calculus Subject: [ap-calculus] AP Physics C for students without calculus yet
Do any of you teach in schools which permit students to enroll in AP Physics C (calculus-based) without prior completion of Calculus ABbc?
If so, what preparation do you provide (or require students to obtain independently)?
Is Physics offered in the fall or spring semester? Is there a requirement to be concurrently enrolled in either Calculus AB or BC?
We've done some hasty front-load supplementing for the few students this affects at our school (AP Physics is relatively recent here), but would like to investigate whether a more systematic intervention is in order.