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Topic: None Dare Call It "The Gap"
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Paul A. Tanner III

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Re: None Dare Call It "The Gap"
Posted: Sep 21, 2012 6:00 PM
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"None Dare Call It "The Gap""
http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2404075

by GS Chandy partially cited here below I give my reply further below:

> Haim's post of Sep 19, 2012 4:29 PM said:
> >
> > Gosh, I wonder why.A (Hint:A it's The Prime
> > Directive.)
> >

> I see Haim's 'Hint'.A But I see nowhere the
> existence of this fabled 'Prime Directive'.

> >>
> >> Mostly, the system ignores them, with policies and

>
> >> budget priorities that concentrate on raising the
> > floor
> >> under low-achieving students. A good and
> necessary
> > thing
> >> to do, yes, but wea??ve failed to raise the
> ceiling
> > for
> >> those already well above the floor.
> >
> >

> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/opinion/gifted-stude
>

> > nts-deserve-more-opportunities.html?hp
> >

> The whole of Haim's post appears below my signature
> for easy reference.
>

> >> That was in response to my question:
> >> And so?
> >>
> >> Is this another bit of your 'evidence' that will

> help >>put the 'Education Mafia' in jail?
> >> GSC
> >
> The New York Times article is quite useful - but it
> does not at all respond to my question; nor does it
> at all prove the existence of an 'Educational Mafia';
> and even less does it prove the existence of that
> 'Prime Directive' on which Haim seems to be fixated;
> and even less does it prove that this group of people
> (assuming their existence, whomsoever they may be)
> must be put into jail.
>

...
>
> What it may prove is that well-educated people like
> Haim have failed to put the right kind of pressures
> on your system to ensure that an effective public
> school system does develop in the USA.A Paul A.
> Tanner III denies that the US public school system is
> anywhere near as defective as Haim claims - in fact
> he claims that the US public school system is today
> as good as any other in the world...
> I don't believe he will deny the possibility
> of improving the whole system (including the private
> schools).
>


As to what I've been saying on this: Please be more careful and accurate conveying what I said. I did not say that "the US public school system is today as good as any other in the world" even by some measure.

My post

"Re: None Dare Call It "The Gap""
http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7893530

is my most recent post on this, where I actually reply to this NY Times article by Finn. Here below is part of what I said.

Quote:

"We need to look beneath the surface to be fair, to see what is really happening in the US, to see that, again, the US pubic school system in some measurable ways is doing as well or better than just about any other country in the world not only for its whole population but for its advanced students. (This does not mean of course that the system could not do even better, even a lot better.)"

I have always been careful to put forth such qualifiers such as "just about" in this post and prior posts (such as "one of the best" in prior posts), along with the other qualifiers I made in this and prior posts. I have always been careful to use language that allows for some small number of countries to exceed the US even in these measurable ways I speak of.

The idea is that the US is in the top group of countries - one of the best in the world - in at least these measurable ways I speak of, and that all this "The sky is falling!" garbage by conservatives who wish to kill public education in the name of their government-hating conservative ideology is utterly false.

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