Haim posted Oct 9, 2012 8:19 AM (GSC's remarks follow): > Peter Duveen Posted: Oct 8, 2012 2:39 PM > > >Well, Robert, the riff raff who are not going to be > >engineers or scientists really don't count, when it > >comes to "national security" [securing the nation > for > >the benefit of the few at the expense of the many]. > I > >would like to call attention to a recent report by > the > >Council on Foreign Relations, > http://www.cfr.org/united-states/us-education-reform-n > ational-security/p27618. > >Education is now a national security issue, so some > >people will just have to become > engineers/scientists, > >whether they like it or not. > > Peter, > > It is not often I see a note like yours. There > ere are plenty of notes I agree with, plenty of notes > I disagree with, but not often do I see a note that I > do not understand at all. > > Do you really think of non-engineers and > and non-scientists ("NENS") as riff raff? Or are you > suggesting someone else does? If so, who? I have > never heard anyone call NENS riff raff. > > And what do you mean by "national security" (your > our scare quotes)? I have heard of a political > economy organized for the benefit of the few at the > expense of the many (eg, the nomenklatura that exists > in every socialist regime, a class of people so elite > they even have their own hospitals), but what does > that mean in the context of "national security"? > > Finally, you seem unhappy about the Council on > on Foreign Relation's reason for wanting an effective > education system. The CFR want a good school system > for reasons of national security (as that concept is > commonly understood). Perhaps you prefer a good > school system for economic reasons? (So that people > can be productive, and thereby benefit themselves and > their neighbors.) Do you have your own reasons for > desiring an effective school system? Or do you feel > an effective school system is a threat to the social > system you desire? > > Some years ago, the mother of one of my son's > n's little league team mates, a lawyer (I live in The > People's Republic of Brooklyn), plainly stated to me > her view that the math and science curriculum was a > conspiracy by George Bush and the Republican Party to > nurture scientists and engineers for their missile > programs and to serve other military-industrial > purposes. > > Is this your view, Peter? Or perhaps you agree > ree with Paul that the American school system is > already the best in the world, so the CFR must be up > to no good by asserting that American schools have > collapsed? > > Haim > No representation without taxation. > In order to make things abundantly clear, Peter Duveen might like to consider the simple device of 'turning SARCASM ON (or OFF, as the case may be)' - see instance below.
I observe that Haim has himself used this device in the recent past.
GSC ("Still Shoveling Away!" - [Sarcasm ON] with apologies if due to Barry Garelick for any tedium caused; [Sarcasm OFF] - I observe that tedium is easily avoided by the simple expedient of ignoring any message purported to originate from GSC)