Let's start with elementary school, how many hours do teachers teach in Finland and how does it work? Here they teach 4-5 hours, the remainder of the 6.5 hours is lunch, recess, and an activity. I think this is a very reasonable approach to if we are to discuss how this might be done here.
On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Paul Tanner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Robert Hansen <email@example.com> wrote: >> >> On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Paul Tanner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: >> >>> If I teach 6 hours per day and have 20 students in each one hour >> class, then I have 120 total students to deal with. If I teach 3 hours >> per day and have 20 students in each one hour class, then I have 60 >> total students to deal with. The teacher-pupil ratio is the same, but >>> one teacher has double the teaching load of the other. >> >> >> So do the kids go to school only 3 hours a day? I guess we are not talking >> elementary school, we are talking high school? So in elementary school the >> teachers teach the same as us but in high school they only teach 3 hours? So >> do teachers share the classrooms? Or do half the classrooms sit empty half >> the day and the other half the other half of the day? Is this the vocational >> schools as well, or just the high schools? I guess it is possible since the >> high schools have screening in place. Once you remove the sports and the >> remedial classes, what's left? Do you have a link to some actual high school >> schedules that exhibit this? It seems like college hours. > > ? > > Please read what I actually wrote in this thread before you reply > further, including most especially ALL of what I cited and linked to. > It gives you the information for high school, middle school, and > elementary school, and for overall averages. I already said that this > is not about the number of hours that a student spends per year or per > week while school is in session in front of a teacher, but it is about > the number of hours that a teacher per year and or per week while > school is in session spends in front of a class. > > Again: Please do the math based on what I cited. > > To reply to this above of yours specifically, for each week school is > in session, using rounded off numbers that are close to the actual > numbers so as to show what is going on most clearly: > > For these three top-performing countries in question Korea, Finland, > and Japan, and for US community college teachers, we have something > like this: Two teachers teaching a total of 120 students means 60 > students per teacher - 2 teachers each teaching 3 hours per day, 15 > hours per week. The students each spend 6 hours per day in front of a > teacher. The student/teacher ratio PER CLASS is 20/1. > > Compare that to what we see in the US at k12, where we have something > like this: One teacher teaching a total of 120 students means 120 > students per teacher - 1 teacher teaching 6 hours per day, 30 hours > per week. The students each spend 6 hours per day in front of a > teacher. The student/teacher ratio PER CLASS is 20/1. > > Why so many people keep confusing the student/teacher ratio *per > class* and the student/teacher ratio *in terms of total number of > students in all classes put together that a single teacher has to deal > with* is beyond me. > > I reiterate everything I said in my last post in this thread: > > http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7904464