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Bob
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RE: Calculator Use
Posted:
Oct 17, 2012 10:04 PM
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It's an uncertain time; however, it may not be the best choice to just ban
calculators.
Bob
From: owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org]
On Behalf Of Iva Jean Tennant
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:53 PM
To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org
Subject: Re: Calculator Use
I would agree that most things so far this year have NOT made sense! :) We
just all need to stick together this year and be there for each other!
Iva Jean Tennant
President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS
Past President of AMTST
People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader
-----Original Message-----
From: Liz Waite <elizwaite@aol.com>
To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>
Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Calculator Use
Interesting question you pose below Cindy....
We would assume that things will make sense, but will they?
Tell me...has anything made sense for anyone this year yet?:)
Liz
Elizabeth Waite
AMTNYS Vice-President
-----Original Message-----
From: Cindy Nguyen <Cindy.Nguyen@spackenkillschools.org>
To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>
Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:05 pm
Subject: RE: Calculator Use
I am so happy to see this discussion! I am also not sure how to handle the
calculator situation.
I was puzzled at Sample Question #8, the elaborate fraction simplification
problem, in light of the fact that the students will have a scientific
calculator. You are right, Iva Jean, that it doesn't make sense to show all
that calculation they did below, when the students could put it in a
calculator that does fractions. We would assume that things will make
sense, but will they?
I teach two sections of 7th grade math, both inclusion, with most of my
students in the 1 and 2 range. I'm afraid that simplifying expressions such
as #8, with the mixed signs, three different denominators, etc., will be
daunting for them. So, my reaction, when I read on the NYS website that
calculators would be allowed for the entire state math test next spring, has
been to review fraction operations with them and then move on to becoming
proficient using the calculator.
Back in June, I responded with feedback to several of the 7th grade sample
questions. I included example problems in each case which were similar, but
not as complicated as the provided samples. I haven't heard anything back
yet.
So far this year, I've seen only drafts of sample test questions and drafts
of the pre- and post-test document for the April 24-26, 2013, test? Have I
missed anything on the website?
Cindy Bullis Nguyen
Orville A. Todd Middle School
Poughkeepsie, NY 12603
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From: owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org [owner-nysmsmath@mathforum.org] on
behalf of Iva Jean Tennant [tennantij@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:21 PM
To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org
Subject: Re: Calculator Use
It will be a struggle but it would not make sense for them to give us those
standards and then turn around and say, "Hey, you can just use a
calculator!"
I am waiting more from the state before I turn them loose with calculators.
If you look at assessment samples from Smarter Balance and PARCC, they have
some problems that specifically say: use calculator and others that say no
to calculator usage--so I say we have to have balance and they are going to
have to be able to do fraction and decimal operations without calculators
and it is not going to be very pretty! --oh, that is why we get the big
bucks!
and in case you think I have high level classes--I have way over 50% of my
students failing the previous year test and my first period has 100% failing
with 1;s and low 2's--will be an interesting year, to say the least!
Iva Jean Tennant
President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS
Past President of AMTST
People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader
-----Original Message-----
From: Lauren Mondrone <lauren.mondrone@gmail.com>
To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org>
Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:09 am
Subject: Calculator Use
Hi all,
I know that scientific calculators with fractional capabilities are allowed
to
be used on the seventh grade assessment this year, both parts. However, for
operations on rational numbers, I did not permit my students to use
calculators
as then the questions could simply be answered by pressing buttons. The
results
were not great. I am wondering how you all are approaching calculator use
for
regular ed students as well as IEP students for the number sense strand as
well
as for other standards. My students don't seem to be rising to the challenge
of
rational numbers as well as they did integers last year.
Any feedback would be appreciated!
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