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Bob
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RE: Calculator Use
Posted:
Oct 17, 2012 10:49 PM



So we ban the calculator part of the time, but which part. It seems the final test guidelines will determine that.
From: ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org] On Behalf Of Iva Jean Tennant Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:06 PM To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org Subject: Re: Calculator Use
surely I did not say thatthere are many problems when we would use the calculator and there are times when we should not use it
even PARCC and Smarter Balance agree on that
I think anyone would be crazy to ban a calculator from their classroom but I do believe there are many times when students should not grab a calculator as they need to be able to do some things in their head
Iva Jean Tennant
President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS
Past President of AMTST
People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader
Original Message From: Bob <bobderek@earthlink.net> To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:02 pm Subject: RE: Calculator Use
It?s an uncertain time; however, it may not be the best choice to just ban calculators.
Bob
From: ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org [mailto:ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org <mailto:ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org?> ] On Behalf Of Iva Jean Tennant Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:53 PM To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org Subject: Re: Calculator Use
I would agree that most things so far this year have NOT made sense! :) We just all need to stick together this year and be there for each other!
Iva Jean Tennant
President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS
Past President of AMTST
People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader
Original Message From: Liz Waite <elizwaite@aol.com> To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:49 pm Subject: Re: Calculator Use
Interesting question you pose below Cindy....
We would assume that things will make sense, but will they?
Tell me...has anything made sense for anyone this year yet?:)
Liz
Elizabeth Waite
AMTNYS VicePresident
Original Message From: Cindy Nguyen <Cindy.Nguyen@spackenkillschools.org> To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 9:05 pm Subject: RE: Calculator Use
I am so happy to see this discussion! I am also not sure how to handle the calculator situation.
I was puzzled at Sample Question #8, the elaborate fraction simplification problem, in light of the fact that the students will have a scientific calculator. You are right, Iva Jean, that it doesn't make sense to show all that calculation they did below, when the students could put it in a calculator that does fractions. We would assume that things will make sense, but will they?
I teach two sections of 7th grade math, both inclusion, with most of my students in the 1 and 2 range. I'm afraid that simplifying expressions such as #8, with the mixed signs, three different denominators, etc., will be daunting for them. So, my reaction, when I read on the NYS website that calculators would be allowed for the entire state math test next spring, has been to review fraction operations with them and then move on to becoming proficient using the calculator.
Back in June, I responded with feedback to several of the 7th grade sample questions. I included example problems in each case which were similar, but not as complicated as the provided samples. I haven't heard anything back yet.
So far this year, I've seen only drafts of sample test questions and drafts of the pre and posttest document for the April 2426, 2013, test? Have I missed anything on the website?
Cindy Bullis Nguyen Orville A. Todd Middle School Poughkeepsie, NY 12603
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From: ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org [ownernysmsmath@mathforum.org] on behalf of Iva Jean Tennant [tennantij@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:21 PM To: nysmsmath@mathforum.org Subject: Re: Calculator Use
It will be a struggle but it would not make sense for them to give us those standards and then turn around and say, "Hey, you can just use a calculator!"
I am waiting more from the state before I turn them loose with calculators. If you look at assessment samples from Smarter Balance and PARCC, they have some problems that specifically say: use calculator and others that say no to calculator usageso I say we have to have balance and they are going to have to be able to do fraction and decimal operations without calculators and it is not going to be very pretty! oh, that is why we get the big bucks!
and in case you think I have high level classesI have way over 50% of my students failing the previous year test and my first period has 100% failing with 1;s and low 2'swill be an interesting year, to say the least!
Iva Jean Tennant
President of Association of Mathematics Teachers of NYS
Past President of AMTST
People to People Student Ambassador Delegation Leader
Original Message From: Lauren Mondrone <lauren.mondrone@gmail.com> To: nysmsmath <nysmsmath@mathforum.org> Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:09 am Subject: Calculator Use
Hi all, I know that scientific calculators with fractional capabilities are allowed to be used on the seventh grade assessment this year, both parts. However, for operations on rational numbers, I did not permit my students to use calculators as then the questions could simply be answered by pressing buttons. The results were not great. I am wondering how you all are approaching calculator use for regular ed students as well as IEP students for the number sense strand as well as for other standards. My students don't seem to be rising to the challenge of rational numbers as well as they did integers last year. Any feedback would be appreciated! ******************************************************************* * To unsubscribe from this mailing list, email the message * "unsubscribe nysmsmath" to majordomo@mathforum.org * * Read prior posts and download attachments from the web archives at * http://mathforum.org/kb/forum.jspa?forumID=672 *******************************************************************



