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Jeff Stuart

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Re: [ap-calculus] e
Posted: Oct 23, 2012 8:08 PM
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Erin:

Welcome to the world of floating point arithmetic. The problem is that
calculators and most numerical software do not treat all real numbers
the same way, and that except for a few special numbers, at every step
of the computation process, numbers are replaced by "convenient"
approximations. For simplicity, imagine that you calculator only keeps
six digits. Thus, your calculator would replace pi with 3.14159. If
you ask your calculator for (pi - 3.14159)^(-1), you will get an
error, because the first computation your calculator does is pi -
3.14159 = 0, and it then faces 0^(-1), which it knows is undefined. As
another example, 1/3 stores as 3.33333 x 10^(-1), so 3 x (1/3) is
computed as 3.00000 x 3.33333 x 10^(-1) =9.99999 x 10^(-1). Notice that
1 - 3(1/3) computes as 1.00000 -0.999999, and the first thing that
happens in our simplified calculator is that the last 9 is dropped so
the digits line up. Thus the difference computed is 0.00001, rather
than 0.000001 . Further, the result is stored as 1.00000 x 10^(-4), so
that neither of the first two digits is correct! This is called
catastrophic cancellation. Now suppose you ask your calculator to
compute (1 + 1/x )^x, where x has been chosen to have exactly six digits
(or at least six digits in scientific notation). The first computation
is 1/x, which is stored as a six digit approximation "a", and then your
calculator computes 1 + a, which it stores as a six digit approximation
"b", and then, finally, it computes b^x. If x > 10^5, then 1/x <
10(-5), so a =< 10^(-5), meaning that as a decimal, a
=0.00000##########...#000000... where at most six of the # digits are
nonzero.. When the calculator computes 1 + a as 1.00000 + a, it only
keeps the first FIVE decimal places of a, so 1 + a = 1.00000 rather
than 1.00000####....#0000... we
Since b = 1.00000, it is not surprising that b^x = 1. OH, by the way,
all of this happens base 2 or base 8 or base 16 rather than base base 10.

You might look up "floating point arithmetic", "IEEE floating point",
and/or "truncation versus rounding".

Jeff S.



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