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kirby urner

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Re: Of Sequence and Success
Posted: Nov 4, 2012 11:41 AM
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>> Flash Anzan is where you don't even use an abacus (other
>> arithmetic sports allow it).

> <snip>

>> So is this about "getting good at math"? I could see one arguing that
>> not much math is involved.
>> This is arithmetic.

> That is not "arithmetic", that is computation, just a part of arithmetic.

So it's not the whole of arithmetic, just part of it.

We know that these same contestants are learning all four algorithms
with that abacus, and are developing the same basic fluency about
units, unit conversion, fractions, decimals, as other kids, so Flash
Anzan is just a part of arithmetic for them as well. Using an abacus
gives them an advantage.

American students taught without it will never be as good at
computation, in the main. The Americans may be stronger in other
ways, every culture makes its investments. The English tend to be
stronger than the Americans in vocabulary and awareness of history.[1]

Grade school also includes the concept of prime versus composite
number. This is where I think grade school level numeracy could do
more to introduce higher math concepts and start introducing a first
computer language at the same time. I'd want to see Euclid's Method
explained -- usually bleeped over in today's post US Civil War
textbooks (not saying it was in them previously either).

Prime vs composite includes "relatively prime" i.e. no factors in
common. gcd(a,b) == 1. This is important for knowing when a fraction
(in the sense of a rational number, p/q) is in lowest terms: gcd(p,q)
== 1.

Right now, it seems to be college computer science and/or number
theory that pick up Euclid's Method and extend it. You'll find it in
Knuth's TAOCS (The Art of Computer Science) for sure, a very
mathematical treatise packed with ideas that are accessible to young
supple minds as well as creaky old ones.

> And your examples are sport, which is fine. Arithmetic also includes
> recognizing the arithmetic in various scenarios and contexts. Knowing when
> to add or multiply. Recognizing basic and fundamental patterns like the
> commutative and distributive properties. Understanding the nature of
> physical quantities and the relationship of the "value" and the "unit" to
> them. Knowing how to write and say numbers and use the 13 characters (0-9
> period comma minus). Understanding place value. Knowing fractions, both
> vulgar and decimal, and recognizing that they are numbers and have their
> place on the number line.

We should do more with non-commutative sooner. If you hold a business
envelop towards you, address facing you and right side up, and do
these two operations: flip away (so lying on its back), flip right (as
if axis through your chest, envelope pivots right), the outcome is
different than if you pivot right first, then flip it back (axis

Given matrices express rotation (I prefer introducing matrices as
rotation devices rather than systems of linear equations to be
"reduced"), and their multiplication is non-commutative, that would
make sense. Plus we have the computer to do the multiplying (with
programs the students wrote, perhaps as teams, perhaps in more than
one language).

More vectors and matrices before college! Is that still arithmetic then?

Spatial geometry needn't have a whole lot of algebra in it at first.
I like to stuff data for various polyhedrons into SQL tables.

(1) Main table: one line per polyhedron, gives each an id.

(2) Faces table gives each face going around in a loop, using vectors
as nodes. From the face table you can figure edges as between any two
consecutive vectors to the same face.

(3) And finally I have the vectors table. 26 vectors happen to work
well for this apparatus, so A-Z.

Might we call this arithmetic? Or does the appearance of 2nd roots
(as when figuring lengths) mean we're outside arithmetic all of a

My polyhedrons (using the 26 vertexes) are:

(1) tetrahedron (ABCD)
(2) its dual tetrahedron (EFGH)
(3) their combination, the cube (same verts)
(4) cube's dual the octahedron (IJKLM)
(5) the rhombic dodecahedron -- cube + octa combination (so same
verts already used)
(6) its dual, the cuboctahedron (OPQRSTUVWXYZ) but scaled up to
unit-diameter edges (same as spheres) giving us the CCP / FCC, ground
zero for organic chemistry, crystallography and the like
( -- graphics by me, using
free tools).

The relative volumes for 1-6 are: 1:1:3:4:6:20

which whole numbers you won't see in Education Mafia schools, but you
*will* see in more Asia-influenced Education Yakuza schools (where
I've been teaching, sometimes as a guest teacher, though I did teach
high school full time for two consecutive years, just a few miles from
the Statue of Liberty).

Having a unit-volume tetrahedron and a model of 3rd powering that
shows a growing-shrinking regular tetrahedron instead of a cube is
strictly outside Mafia Math (MM).

It's not like the Yakuza schools teach that to the exclusion of the
traditional / conventional unit-volume cube 3rd powering = cubing
approach, just that our students learn that's cultural / ethnic, not
universal as if the ETs had to believe it.

Indeed, in Martian Math, the way I teach it now [2], the Martians and
Earthlings are collaborating on building a dam (joint venture) in a
deep canyon. They have different unit measure for concrete, the
Martians using a tetrahedron of edges D, the Earthlings / Americans
using a cube of edges R, were R == (1/2) * D.

I wonder if this is algebra already, since R and D are but letters,
referring the the Radius and Diameter of a sphere.

> You really don't appreciate all of this until you actually teach a young
> student all of this. We take it for granted. Also, we don't remember the
> experience of learning all of this because it occurs before we know enough
> to put it in perspective. We might remember the setting, but not the
> experience. We remember what it was like to learn algebra but not what it
> was like to learn our ABCs or to count or our first exposure to adding and
> subtracting. By the time we start to have genuine memories of learning late
> in primary school, or sometimes not till middle school, after the basics
> have been covered.

I don't think you should build adult forgetfulness into your theories
though it's true for some adults. I have an excellent memory, maybe
because my trajectory was not uniform, meaning it doesn't all blend
together in retrospect. I remember a misconception I had about the
long division algorithm, in 3rd grade (first form, a British school),
that I had to get over. In 2nd grade, we were switching to New Math.
We did lots with an abacus with colored beads, but not the Japanese
kind with fives.

I remember learning to read and my nose getting in the way at first as
I learned to focus.

> Besides its practical importance, arithmetic is about becoming familiar with
> numbers, especially real numbers. What could be more important to higher
> math? I didn't say "also important" I said "more important"?

So real numbers are included eh? I would think drawing a boundary at
the rational numbers would be helpful for distinguishing "arithmetic"
from "not arithmetic".

Your thinking is always full of surprises because you use your words
the way you do, meaning what you mean, without much awareness that
your specific usage patterns are like finger prints, unique to the
individual, even if there's a family resemblance to other fingers.
This is true with everyone of course, but you seem less aware of your
uniqueness. In contrast, I have to be very aware of my uniqueness
because I'm always bringing in important differences.

For example, I have this world map I bring to classrooms that looks
really strange. It's not a Mercator nor even a Snyder Projection
(favored by National Geographic). I talk about its history and how
exotic it is, and how they won't see it very often around school.
This brands me as an outsider, more like an ET. I'm accustomed to
playing that role. I'm invited into classrooms to tell them things
most of the teachers have never learned either. That impresses them.

> When you actually teach children, what to teach comes pretty easy, but I
> suppose that depends on what kind of teacher you are. I start a lesson with
> my son and I know right away if I am missing something. When you have the
> teaching bug you are able to be both the student and the teacher at the same
> time. This becomes more and more difficult when the class is larger and more
> diverse in level. Obviously, it breaks down completely when the class has a
> 100+ students, most of them unprepared and uninterested, like we are seeing
> in these large required college introductory classes.
> Bob Hansen

I have this intuition that as your son gets older you're going to keep
tracking along, with your focus shifting into higher grades. You are
focused on elementary school math right now because that's the current
state of your nuclear family.

However, I think curriculum writing / designing / assessing needs to
take into account the whole picture, i.e. not just time slices.

What are the moving targets and how is what you're learning in 4th
grade going to prove relevant in 12th grade etc.?

Show us the whole map and your choices based on its study.
If you just go piecemeal, you might turn down a blind alley.
Talk about vectors more, and when you think we should introduce them,
if you want to sound more credible as a curriculum assessor.

As we all know, the Education Mafia does not have the power to change
from within except by lots of things breaking, crises, melodrama etc.

As an ET / Yakuza / Asian [2] I get to star in more of a "Mars
attacks" type scenario wherein I go to the parent-age adults (whether
they have kids or not) and show them how these other adults (the
teachers), being Earthlings / Americans, are thereby not especially
conversant with our alien brand of schooling.

"Rhombic dodecahedron? You've *got* to be kidding me" is a first
response, before they're quickly overwhelmed by it's space-filling

Your son is probably not going to learn much about polyhedrons or V +
F == E + 2 if going to school in post Civil War Florida. That's just
not in the cards in that state at this time in my view (except maybe
in the Orlando / Cape Canaveral area?).

However, given the Internet, you have the power to import learning
materials, including the more Asian-flavored stuff, like Singapore
Math (a moving target). You, the dad, even read the ET stuff
directly, by tuning in Portland via math-teach, an Asian / Cascadian
capital [4] (with strong alliances to other North American capitals
(some of them)).

You may be more influenced than you think by this exposure. If you
ever catch yourself teaching that 3rd powering could be modeled by a
tetrahedron, take a moment to praise Portlandia maybe.[5]


[1] (I like this guy's ability to do
Engish accents but the language is foul, exactly they way kids talk at
recess when the teacher's back is turned, and so more of that
dangerous Youtube stuff (part of what holds American kids back is the
raging hypocrisy of the adults, where they act all Puritanical in
contradiction to how they behaved as children, which children tend to
be bawdier in their vocabularies than teachers, more fluent in that
respect (in Portland we celebrate pirates and piracy which helps up
our tolerance level for foul language (just read our local weeklies)).

[2] Background for teachers (Mafia defectors welcome):

[3] Haim doesn't agree I'm Asian, though maybe he concedes if we're
talking "memes" and not "genes"

(native Americans versus Roman imperialism? (architectural cues))


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