Uirgil
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Re: Cantor's first proof in DETAILS
Posted:
Nov 13, 2012 5:11 PM


In article <k7udtq$np6$1@dontemail.me>, "LudovicoVan" <julio@diegidio.name> wrote:
> "Uirgil" <uirgil@uirgil.ur> wrote in message > news:uirgil91F13B.13165013112012@BIGNEWS.USENETMONSTER.COM... > > > No values which are bounded below by a strictly increasing sequence and > > bounded above by a strictly decreasing sequence are members of either > > seequence. > > > > Thus proving that, given any sequence of values in R, there must be > > values in R not appearing in that sequence. > > I'll have a look at Zuhair's followup as soon as I manage, but let me for > now just point out that the above argument is obviously bogus: the rationals > too are dense (have the IVP as Zuhair has called it) and, by the very same > argument, we have proved that the rationals too are not countable... see? > > LV >
The difference being that a monotone but finitely bounded sequence of rationals need not have a limit among the rationals but MUST have a limit among the reals, a LUB or GLB.
Density is not enough distinguish between Q and R, but the GLB/ LUB property is enough.
Any densely ordered interval of positive length having the GLB/LUB property is uncountable.

