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Topic: Matheology § 152
Replies: 53   Last Post: Nov 19, 2012 4:49 PM

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 Virgil Posts: 8,833 Registered: 1/6/11
Re: Matheology � 152
Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:34 PM

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WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 17 Nov., 18:57, Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur> wrote:
>

> > > > > Consider the following sequence of decimal numbers, consisting of
> > > > > digits 0 and 1

> >
> > > > > 01.
> > > > > 0.1
> > > > > 010.1
> > > > > 01.01
> > > > > 0101.01
> > > > > 010.101
> > > > > 01010.101
> > > > > 0101.0101
> > > > > ...

> >
> > > > > which, when indexed by natural numbers, yilooks like this:
> >
> > > > > 0_2 1_1 .
> > > > > 0_2 . 1_1
> > > > > 0_4 1_3 0_2 . 1_1
> > > > > 0_4 1_3 . 0_2 1_1
> > > > > 0_6 1_5 0_4 1_3 . 0_2 1_1
> > > > > 0_6 1_5 0_4 . 1_3 0_2 1_1
> > > > > 0_8 1_7 0_6 1_5 0_4 . 1_3 0_2 1_1
> > > > > 0_8 1_7 0_6 1_5 . 0_4 1_3 0_2 1_1
> > > > > ...

>
> > While every real mathematician knows
>
> This sequence grows without limit.

> >
> > > This can be proved by taking any number n and showing
> > > that there is a number k such that all for terms a(j) of the sequence
> > > with k > j we have a(j) > n. Proof: For given n take k = n + 10.

> >
> > ow does that work for the sequence a(j) = 0 for all j?

>
> Is 0 larger than any number n?

There is no number which is larger than any number.
>
> >
> > > Every set theorist knows that the sequence of sets of indices left of
> > > the decimal point has the limit empty set. This is an requirement of
> > > set theory.

> >
> > Then let us see which axiom,  or set of axioms, of some set theory which
> > actually requires such nonsense. say among the axioms for ZFC, for
> > example.

>
> Try to learn it. Look what William Hughes just explains here.

> >
> >
> >

> > > And finally everybody knows that decimal numbers, by definition,
> > > cannot consist of digits that have no indexs.

> >
> > Numbers (decimal or otherwise) can exist without any digits of any sort,
> > but decimal numerals can not.

>
> But the numbers in above list exist with their digits.

> >
> > Since a numeral is merely a name for a number,

>
> the set of all numbers is countable.

Every numeral being a number does not limit the number of numbers,
it only, at most, limits the number of numerals.

So that, as usual, LV has things backwards.
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Date Subject Author
11/16/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/16/12 William Hughes
11/16/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/16/12 LudovicoVan
11/16/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/16/12 Uirgil
11/16/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/16/12 LudovicoVan
11/16/12 Uirgil
11/16/12 William Hughes
11/16/12 Uirgil
11/17/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/17/12 LudovicoVan
11/17/12 LudovicoVan
11/17/12 Uirgil
11/17/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/17/12 Uirgil
11/17/12 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
11/17/12 LudovicoVan
11/17/12 William Hughes
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11/17/12 Uirgil
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11/17/12 William Hughes
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11/17/12 William Hughes
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11/18/12 William Hughes
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