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Topic: Matheology § 154: Consistency Proof!
Replies: 101   Last Post: Nov 25, 2012 5:08 PM

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 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de Posts: 18,076 Registered: 1/29/05
Re: Matheology § 154: Consistency Proof!
Posted: Nov 22, 2012 3:54 PM

On 22 Nov., 20:22, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note that I was able to handle your
> "simple" case using induction.
>
> I consider the following case easy.
> If you disagree maybe you can say
> why?
>
> Consider the sequence of real numbers
>
> 1.0
> 10.0
> 100.0
> ...
>
> The limit is oo (unbounded)
>
> According to set theory, the number of 1's in the limit
> is 0.  (The limit of the set of positions at which we
> have a 1 is the empty set).

Why should the 1 disappear completely? But let's assume it.

According to analysis the number of 1's in the limit is 1 and the
number of zeros left to the point is infinite. Proof by failure: Try
to establish in analysis the limit oo without 1 by the sequence
0
00
000
...

>
>                   with only 0's

My contention is same as before: Obviously set theory cannot reproduce
the results of analysis.
>
> My contention:   The two limits are different and there is

You try to justify one error by another one. Set theory cannot
reproduce mathematics. That fact is not mended by constructing another
failure. But you see it better here

> > 01.
> > 0.1
> > 010.1
> > 01.01
> > 0101.01
> > 010.101
> > 01010.101
> > 0101.0101
> > ...

where set theory yields no digit and analysis yields inifinitely many
digits left to the point.

Taking the result of set theory seriously, we get a limit less than 1.
And in your example we can get rid of a 1 and have a limit oo with
only zeros. Do you think to defend set theory by that arguing? Should
really somebody take it seriously? And apply it anywhere? I don't
believe so.

Regards, WM

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