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Topic: Some important demonstrations on negative numbers
Replies: 70   Last Post: Dec 8, 2012 1:28 PM

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 GS Chandy Posts: 8,307 From: Hyderabad, Mumbai/Bangalore, India Registered: 9/29/05
Re: Some important demonstrations on negative numbers
Posted: Nov 28, 2012 5:28 AM

Robert Hansen (RH) posted Nov 28, 2012 7:26 AM (GSC's remarks interspersed):
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Joe Niederberger
> <niederberger@comcast.net> wrote:
>

> > Your war against common sense though,...
>
> I have no war against common sense. That would be
> like having a war against taste or smell. My claim is
> simple. Common sense just isn't synonymous with
> mathematics, or more precisely, with reasoned thought
> and analysis. In fact, the two domains share nothing
> in common, no pun intended. Regardless of the fact
> that reasoned thought can explain common sense and
> fathom its examples, it acts entirely in spite of
> common sense. And "commonplace" is certainly not
> synonymous with "common sense". That has a different
> meaning altogether.
>

As so often, RH's claims arise out of a total misunderstanding of just what he is writing about, in this case, about what 'common sense' may be; and just what its derivates, such as 'reasoned thought and analysis' (and 'synthesis'; and, for that matter, 'mathematics') are. Reasoned thought and analysis (and synthesis' and for that matter, mathematics) in fact all *grow out* of 'common sense'. It is true enough that one person's 'common sense' may be another's 'nonsense' - the great human adventure, in which 'language' has played a crucial role, has always been to try and arrive at an adequate mutual understanding of each others' 'common sense'.

A little reasoned thought and analysis will show that the above is inescapably true in all circumstances. It is a fact that reasoned thought and analysis (and synthesis) can often lead us to results that may seem counter-intuitive (i.e. against 'common sense') - but that does not negate their origins.
>
> Common sense is the perception of the concrete world
> that we all share.
>

True enough.
>
> Common sense is devoid of reasoned
> thought and analysis.
>

Ridiculous.
>
> That is my definition and in
> the context of this discussion, neither unfair nor
> unwarranted.
>

It's a 'definition' arising out of a ridiculous misunderstanding.
>
> Mathematics on the other hand is
> analysis. It is a reasoned and imagined theory about
> abstract and imagined entities, most significantly,
> the real numbers. When we attempt to teach this
> imagined theory and its imagined elements to the
> unaware student, we use concrete examples (common
> sense) as an aid in that task but not as a substitute
> for that task and not as a substitute for the goal of
> the task, reasoned analysis and thought.
>

See all of above.

GSC
("Still Shoveling Away!" - with apologies if due to Barry Garelick for any tedium caused; and with the observation that there is a SIMPLE way to avoid such tedium)

Date Subject Author
11/27/12 Peter Duveen
11/27/12 James Elander
11/27/12 Robert Hansen
11/27/12 Joe Niederberger
11/27/12 Clyde Greeno @ MALEI
11/27/12 Robert Hansen
11/27/12 Peter Duveen
11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/27/12 Joe Niederberger
11/27/12 Robert Hansen
11/27/12 Joe Niederberger
11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/27/12 Joe Niederberger
11/28/12 GS Chandy
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11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/28/12 Peter Duveen
11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/29/12 kirby urner
11/28/12 Peter Duveen
11/28/12 syeds
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11/28/12 Joe Niederberger
11/28/12 Paul A. Tanner III
11/28/12 Robert Hansen
11/29/12 kirby urner
11/28/12 Joe Niederberger
11/29/12 Paul A. Tanner III
11/28/12 Jonathan J. Crabtree
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11/29/12 Robert Hansen
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11/29/12 Peter Duveen
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11/29/12 Joe Niederberger
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11/30/12 Robert Hansen
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11/30/12 Clyde Greeno
12/1/12 Robert Hansen
11/30/12 Jonathan J. Crabtree
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12/8/12 Clyde Greeno @ MALEI
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12/2/12 Jonathan J. Crabtree
12/2/12 Clyde Greeno @ MALEI
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