The Math Forum

Search All of the Math Forum:

Views expressed in these public forums are not endorsed by NCTM or The Math Forum.

Math Forum » Discussions » sci.math.* » sci.math

Notice: We are no longer accepting new posts, but the forums will continue to be readable.

Topic: Simple random number generator?
Replies: 8   Last Post: Dec 12, 2012 12:01 AM

Advanced Search

Back to Topic List Back to Topic List Jump to Tree View Jump to Tree View   Messages: [ Previous | Next ]
Christopher J. Henrich

Posts: 583
Registered: 12/6/04
Re: Simple random number generator?
Posted: Dec 1, 2012 7:21 PM
  Click to see the message monospaced in plain text Plain Text   Click to reply to this topic Reply

In article <>, Dr J
R Stockton <> wrote:

> In sci.math message <50b6cabe$0$24749$>, Wed, 28 Nov 2012
> 21:38:34, Existential Angst <> posted:

> >
> >So are the digits of pi random or not?
> >

> The digits of pi are not random, because, unless the base is changed,
> they are the same every time and can be defined relatively briefly, even
> without assuming a definition of pi (which pi may formally lack).
> But any arbitrarily chosen sub-sequence of the digits of pi will, I
> believe, pass an appropriate proportion of the usual tests for
> randomness. Note that the full expansion of the digits of pi contains
> as sub-sequences of a given length all possible digit strings of that
> length, some of which will not look random to the untutored eye, such as
> yours.
> A real mathematician could put that more precisely.

If the digits of a number are uniformly distributed, so that in the
(infinitely) long run 0's, 1's, 2's, etc. occur equally often, then the
number is said to be "simply normal" (in base 10). If, for every k =
1,2, ..., all possible groups of k digits occur equally often in the
long run, then the number is said to be "normal." (Reference: Hardy and
Wright, /The/ /Theory/ /of/ /Numbers/ , Fourth ed., pp. 124-5.)

Most of the irrational numbers that are interesting (such as sqrt(2) or
pi) appear to be normal. Numbers that are not normal include all
rational numbers, and some particular values of theta functions (for
instance 0.1001000010000001 ... ).

I think most mathematicians are of the *opinion* that pi is normal. But
as far as I know, nobody has proved that it is, nor that it isn't. A
frustrating situation. Part of the difficulty seems to be that the
property of normality does not seem to be connected to other
interesting properties of an irrational number.

Chris Henrich
God just doesn't fit inside a single religion.

Point your RSS reader here for a feed of the latest messages in this topic.

[Privacy Policy] [Terms of Use]

© The Math Forum at NCTM 1994-2018. All Rights Reserved.