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Re: A new math usenet group
Posted:
Dec 16, 2012 12:23 AM
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On Dec 7, 7:47 am, David Bernier <david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> On 12/07/2012 05:18 AM, Michael Press wrote:
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> > In article <4hq4b8t44ao74jc41fu2pc6okagns3m...@4ax.com>,
> > quasi <qu...@null.set> wrote:
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> >> Tonico wrote:
> >>> quasi wrote:
> >>>> amzoti wrote:
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> >>>>> Leave the cesspool that is sci.math.
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> >>>> Sorry you see it that way.
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> >>>>> See a real math newsgroup.
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> >>>>>http://math.stackexchange.com/questions
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> >>>> math.stackexchange is _not_ a newsgroup.
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> >>>> It's fine for what it is -- questions and answers, but
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> >>>> not much good for back and forth discussions -- it's
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> >>>> not designed for that.
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> >>> Almost agree with that. As it is now, sci.math is a dumper where
> >>> many of us come to have a little fun, to let steam out, etc.
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> >> Sure, you can have fun here if you want to -- nothing wrong with
> >> that, but of the non-crank, non-troll sci.math participants (of
> >> which I would estimate that there are currently about 40 regulars
> >> and perhaps 100 or more less regulars), most do not participate
> >> in the mode you describe.
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> >>> It doesn't serve almost for mathematics,
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> >> I disagree.
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> >> Math _is_ done here, and sci.math's free-form, multi-way
> >> discussion format makes the interaction very easy.
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> >>> but only for trolls, cranks, or any other bored cyberscum (WM,
> >>> Archimedes P.,Musatov, Herc = Cooper, Julio, etc.) to live
> >>> without any fear of being kicked out at once.
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> >> Cranks and trolls are no big deal -- they are easily ignored.
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> >>> These poor characters wouldn't remain active more than a few
> >>> minutes in SE, Physics Forum or any other more or less serious
> >>> site, and they'd have to dedicate their lives to make up new
> >>> nicks and to have several IP numbers in order to avoid complete
> >>> eviction.
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> >> sci.math has free speech, so yes, cranks and trolls are part of
> >> the environment, but as I said, it's no big deal -- that stuff
> >> is easily ignored. It's a small price to pay for the luxury of
> >> true free speech.
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> >>> Nevertheless, it'd be nice to have a site that, besides maths,
> >>> could accept open discussions,
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> >> It exists -- it's called sci.math.
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> >>> as long as the people involved in them are minimally serious.
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> >> In a democratic environment, you can't have everything go the
> >> way you want.
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> >>> Too bad the intentions of 3-4 years ago to have such a
> >>> moderated site here didn't work out...
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> >> In the end, the moderated site concept fails precisely because
> >> of the moderation. It would create a barrier to entry, slow
> >> down the interaction, and leave an anti-democratic stigma of
> >> censors and censorship.
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> > Exactly.
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> > How to extend liberty to all
> > while moderating one's own excesses?
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> > "But it isn't faaaiiiirr!"
> > Suck it up. Be a man.
>
> Yes. In organizations, when the "top dog" dies, there's
> always the "succession" question.
>
> Just imagine (hypothetically) that Linus Torvalds had a
> stroke, became brain-damaged and couldn't act as
> the steward of the Linux kernel.
>
> Who would take over?
>
> With moderated newsgroups, there's also a "succession"
> question when one moderator resigns or his/her term
> of appointment (so many years and months) comed to
> an end.
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> With sci.math as is, it's very hard to get anyone
> banned or "disciplined" through applying to
> NNTP-service provides, Google-groups or
> MathForum, or the Law.
>
> For those one posters one has no interest in reading,
> there are filters and other methods available
> in Thunderbird and other news clients.
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> I think sci.math, MathOverflow, arXiv, the
> Journals, math socities (AMS, AMA, SIAM, etc.),
> math departments, ... can all co-exist and
> they provide various degrees of editorial or
> Supervisor control, which is Ok by me.
>
> In the legal world, I'd say the court of public
> opinion and posterity is the court of last resort,
> or something. For example, cases of possible
> miscarriage of justice, or the P*ssy Riot women
> in Russia, the youngster who got shot:
> Trayvon Martin imbroglio, as e.g. at:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17682245
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> David Bernier
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