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kirby urner

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Re: Would effective gun control laws be 'unacceptable social engineering'?
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I've been looking at this issue with regard to Codes of Conduct. These
come in many flavors: for companies, for conferences, for students and
universities.

Corporations

Many corporations explicitly forbid carrying a firearm onto the premises.
Sometimes there's contention w/r to the parking lot and whether a personal
vehicle should be considered a permitted place to store one's gun while
working. Some companies ban this practice saying the parking lot is theirs
and their policy extends to all of their properties. Exceptions are made
only for security guards, police etc.

http://www.pgecorp.com/aboutus/corp_gov/coce/employee_conduct_standards.shtml#1g

Universities

Student codes of conduct routinely ban firearms from campus, as well as BB
guns, pellet guns, air guns, paintball guns. They may likewise ban
intoxicants, pets, appliances above a certain wattage etc.

http://www.uakron.edu/sja/code-of-conduct.dot

Conferences

Conferences currently seem the most loose as their codes of conduct tend to
focus on anti-harassment issues and keeping conversations civil. Typical
of conference codes of conduct:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/06/26/this-is-how-its-done-american-atheists-announces-code-of-conduct-for-conferences/

Note: no mention of firearms.

Clearly a conference hosted by a university or company would not be allowed
to circumvent the code of that institution, or would it? If an outside
group rents space at a college or university during the summer, does the
student code of conduct apply to them? If a company donates space to a
non-profit for a meeting, can it enforce a no-carry rule even in a state
that permits carrying?

Restaurants reserve the right to refuse service to anyone (so says the
sign).

"No shirt, no shoes, no service" is common.

So what about "Got a gun? Keep out. Private Property."

Can you post that on a hotel or restaurant door? There seems to be some
consensus, among USA citizens at least, that such signs may be safely
(legally) ignored, at least in states that permit open or concealed
carrying.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-276747.html

The issue is gripping many in the USA not just because of school shootings
(which have been many) but because of the new generation of "stand your
ground" laws, which appear to make it easier to claim self defense even
when it turns out the only person with a gun at the scene considered
themselves a potential victim, while the person ending up dead was not
carrying a weapon ("how was I supposed to know?").

These issues are germane in that the Python Software Foundation has been
developing its code of conduct for its international conferences.
Obviously "one size fits all" need not be a goal.

We have gotten as far as stipulating that for PSF to be involved in a
supportive role, *some* code of conduct needs to be on the books, but the
details may be left to the locale (and need not be in the English language,
though translations would make sense if the conference is truly
international).

Here's the US Pycon code of conduct (current version). Nothing about guns
though. More like the Atheist thing.

https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/

Kirby


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