On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Robert Hansen <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Paul Tanner <email@example.com> wrote: > > It is one of the characteristics of a free and democratic nation that > is have free and independent labor unions." > > > And we did have free and independent labor unions. > > Bob Hansen
And we still do: All labor unions in the US - including labor unions representing government employees - are still free and independent in the way President Roosevelt meant and in the way this phrase is normally means.
Note how the term "free" is meant in its first use in the entire sentence, "free and democratic nation".
What people mean when they say "a free and independent labor union" is that the entity is not an actual branch of government - labor unions in communist countries actually are branches of government in at least some way. One of the differences between democratic socialism as we see in the Scandinavian countries and in dictatorial socialism as we see in communist countries is that the labor unions in the former are free and independent and in the the latter they are not.
If you need more explanation, perhaps the IRS classification of these entities will clear things up - they are 501(c)(5):
"According to the IRS Publication 557, in the Organization Reference Chart section, the following is an exact list of 501(c) organization types and their corresponding descriptions. 501(c)(1) ? Corporations Organized Under Act of Congress (including Federal Credit Unions) 501(c)(2) ? Title Holding Corporation for Exempt Organization 501(c)(3) ? Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations 501(c)(4) ? Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees 501(c)(5) ? Labor, Agricultural, and Horticultural Organizations 501(c)(6) ? Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate Boards, etc. 501(c)(7) ? Social and Recreational Clubs 501(c)(8) ? Fraternal Beneficiary Societies and Associations 501(c)(9) ? Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Associations 501(c)(10) ? Domestic Fraternal Societies and Associations 501(c)(11) ? Teachers' Retirement Fund Associations 501(c)(12) ? Benevolent Life Insurance Associations, Mutual Ditch or Irrigation Companies, Mutual or Cooperative Telephone Companies, etc. 501(c)(13) ? Cemetery Companies 501(c)(14) ? State-Chartered Credit Unions, Mutual Reserve Funds 501(c)(15) ? Mutual Insurance Companies or Associations 501(c)(16) ? Cooperative Organizations to Finance Crop Operations 501(c)(17) ? Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts 501(c)(18) ? Employee Funded Pension Trust (created before June 25, 1959) 501(c)(19) ? Post or Organization of Past or Present Members of the Armed Forces 501(c)(21) ? Black lung Benefit Trusts 501(c)(22) ? Withdrawal Liability Payment Fund 501(c)(23) ? Veterans Organization (created before 1880) 501(c)(25) ? Title Holding Corporations or Trusts with Multiple Parents 501(c)(26) ? State-Sponsored Organization Providing Health Coverage for High-Risk Individuals 501(c)(27) ? State-Sponsored Workers' Compensation Reinsurance Organization 501(c)(28) ? National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust 501(c)(29) ? Qualified Nonprofit Health Insurance Issuers (Created in section 1322(h)(1) of the Affordable Care Act)"
Note that all of these entities above are not branches of government in any way, and that they are therefore free and independent entities.
said, especially the notion of collectivism, that that is how the people wield immense power - and how those who do not want to see the collective will of the people fully implemented respond to that power is testament to its immensity.