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Superconductivity from Maxwell Equations #1112 New Physics #1232 ATOM

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Goodstein's explanation is not logically sound Chapt15.34 explaining
Superconductivity from Maxwell Equations #1112 New Physics #1232 ATOM

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Aharonov-Bohm effect with a pilot-wave as explanation for the
Goodstein polarization demonstration.

Now tonight I shall review that demonstration again of the "The
Mechanical Universe" episode 50 "Particles and Waves." I have to
review it, because Goodstein does a disservice to explaining what is
truly going on. The part of the demonstration where he sticks a
oblique polarizing filter in between a horizontal and vertical filter
and where some photons get through. Goodstein explains it as "you guys
thought you were up and down and now you guys changed to be oblique.."
words to that effect. And where a good number of the students thought
there would not be a light appearing.

The trouble with Goodstein's explanation is that it really, logically
does not explain it at all.

So when we encounter an explanation that does not explain logically,
we have to scrap the explanation and find out what really is working
and causes the situation.

So we have to ask, what is the most simple explanation for why the
oblique regains some light going through. And the best explanation is
that the
oblique causes the photons to shift, or break apart
and to reform and so the photons that make it through the last filter
are reformed photons due to the oblique filter.

Now there is a experiment called the Aharonov-Bohm experiment where a
solenoid is placed between two slits of the double slit experiment and
the solenoid reforms the photons and shifts the interference on the

So if we look at the Goodstein demonstration as the two filters, the
horizontal and vertical and those constitute the double slits, and the
oblique filter as the solenoid, then we have a better explanation than
Goodstein's "you guys thought you were up and down." A better
explanation because the solenoid or oblique filter causes the photons
magnetic monopoles to reform.

Now I am looking into the idea that the Double Transverse wave
pictured as this:


pictured as a cross, or the diagonals of a square.

And the single-transverse wave that Goodstein was
working under, pictured as this:


a L shaped transverse wave with the E and B fields.

I am thinking that Dirac who derived the strength of the magnetic
monopole to be 137/2(e). That Dirac's derivation may in fact be the
minimum transverse wave of a photon where it has at least 137/2
vertices. My double-transverse wave has only 4 vertices, and
Goodstein's single transverse wave has only 2 vertices.

But imagine for a moment that all photons have at minimum 137/2
vertices. They would appear like a circle in 2D or like a cylinder in
3rd Dimension. They would appear like the spokes of a bicycle wheel in

Now, can I explain Goodstein's demonstration with utmost logic, and
not the silly "you guys thought you were up and down but really.."?

Well, picture a cylinder of vertices going through the horizontal
filter and only horizontal survives, but a transverse wave has to
allow the vertical to survive, but if the two and only two filters are
horizontal and vertical, those two eliminate all the photons. Now if
we stick a oblique in between the horizontal and vertical, the
horizontal surviving that hit the oblique,
allow the oblique component to survive. So the oblique makes the
experiment as if there were no horizontal at all. So the experiment
has become a oblique and vertical filter only and some photons get

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