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Topic: The Diagonal Argument
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Virgil

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Re: The Diagonal Argument
Posted: Dec 26, 2012 4:23 AM
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George Greene <greeneg@email.unc.edu> wrote:

> On Dec 26, 12:28 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > it fails because with Infinite Sets of Reals
> > You can alter the Number Order
> > To change the digit back!

>
> THAT DOESN'T CHANGE anything!
> You can permute the list of reals ANY WAY YOU LIKE.
> That will give you A DIFFERENT anti-diagonal and thus a DIFFERENT new
> number
> but NEITHER THE NEW ANTI-DIAGONAL NOR THE OLD ONE will be on EITHER
> list!
> Obviously permuting the list does NOT change the answer to ANY
> question of the
> form "is x on this list?". It might change WHERE it is, if it's on
> there,
> but it does NOT change the answer to "yes it is" or "no it isn't".
>
>

> > Its like putting a coin on a 2UP paddle
> > and giving it a one way opposing flip.
> >
> > Null Operation as you just flip it twice!

>
> That's just ONE DIGIT, DUMBASS. THE ISSUE is about THE WHOLE
> new anti-diagonal. Changing the list does NOT change ANY digits of
> the OLD
> ORIGINAL anti-diagonal. It gives you a NEW list with a NEW anti-
> diagonal.
> Which is ALSO NOT ON the list.
> The issue in any case IS NOT EVEN WHETHER "the argument fails".
> The issue is whether the anti-diagonal IS OR IS NOT ON the list.
> And it is OBVIOUSLY NOT ON IT since it differs from EVERY real on the
> list.


You are being too rational and sensible to convince any of the kooks.
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