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Topic: Seattle Ballard High School teachers have followed suit: No MAP

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Robert Hansen

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Re: Seattle Ballard High School teachers have followed suit: No MAP test!
Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:24 AM
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Um, yeah, that teacher accountability thing is there, it is always going to be there, but can't we just put that aside for the moment? Nn top of all of the other testing, this is too much bloody testing. Even all that other testing is too much bloody testing. While you talk about "3 tests" during the year, the net result is not just "3 tests" during the year. Not only do these tests affect the focus of teacher (teaching to the test) there are also many "pretests" that spring up. For example, result of just one (NCLB) test a year is that the students are tested weekly, in reading, not quite as often in math, but quite often.

People misunderstand my support for standardized testing. We need authentic measures that are normed to what professional society expects of successful students in these subjects and not for the purpose of evaluating teachers. For the purpose of being HONEST to the students. As far as evaluating schools or teachers, my only use of those standardized tests is to determine if the schools or teachers are LYING to their students and passing them on to the next class when they are not ready.

As far as evaluating teachers, that has to be done by the principle, the administrators, and people in the context the teachers are in. The rest of the world does it that way and they share their ideas of doing it. That process, while not perfect, seems to work pretty damn well. And if teachers don't like that process because it is not perfect then too bad. It sure beats the heck out of the choices talked about lately, including their own choices.

Bob Hansen

On Jan 12, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Wayne Bishop <> wrote:

> I don't know anything about the validity or reliability of the test but my guess is that real objection to the test (2 hours, 3 times during the year) has more to do with "tied to merit pay" than anything else.
> Wayne
> At 08:25 AM 1/12/2013, Robert Hansen wrote:

>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Michael Paul Goldenberg <> wrote:

>> >
>> Sounds like they don't like the MAP test. Understandable since this is yet another test on top of all the state mandated testing.
>> I support them.
>> Bob Hansen

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