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Re: Property related to denseness
Posted:
Jan 16, 2013 6:17 AM
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pepstein5@gmail.com wrote:
>Michael Stemper wrote:
>>Butch Malahide writes:
>> >Michael Stemper) wrote:
>> >>Paul <pepste...@gmail.com> writes:
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>> >> The trivial topology?
>> >
>> > By "the trivial topology" I guess you mean the
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>> >"indiscrete" topology,
>> >
>> Willard also uses that term.
Yes, Willard calls it "the trivial topology".
>>It makes sense that if the finest topology is called
>>"discrete" that the coarsest could be called "indiscrete".
>
>I think that a trivial object would be one that is embedded
>in all objects of the same type. For example, the trivial
>group is the group with one element.
I think that in this case, the intent of the terminology is that,
for a given set X, the trivial topology on X is the simplest
possible topology on X.
However it's also true that any topology on X is a superset
of the trivial topology on X.
>If there is such a thing as "the trivial topology [without
>mentioning the underlying set]" then that might be the topology
>on the empty set where the only open set is the empty set.
No -- the terminology "the trivial topology" always refers to
a topology on a given set X.
>If the underlying set is X, then I would think "The trivial
>topology on X" is a fine way of describing the indiscrete
>topology, since the open sets in that topology on X are exactly
>the sets that are open in every topology on X. So it's
>analogous to the "trivial group".
Yes, exactly.
>Is "trivial topology on X" a standard way of referring to the
>indiscrete topology on X? If not, I think it should be.
The terminologies
"the trivial topology on X"
"the indiscrete topology on X"
are both accepted, but I think "the indiscrete topology" is the
one more commonly used.
Willard mentions both but favors "the trivial topology".
Wikipedia has "the trivial topology" first
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_topology>
but indicates that "the indiscrete topology" is a perfectly
acceptable alternate.
Personally, I like "the trivial topology" better, but it's not
a big deal either way.
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