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Richard Hake

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Discussion List Etiquette (was Do We Learn All the Math We Need .
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Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:29 AM
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My post "Do We Learn All the Math We Need For Ordinary Life Before
5th_Grade?" [Hake (2013)] initiated a thread on the OPEN! Math-Teach
archives at <http://bit.ly/Y9tVaq> that had grown to 19 posts on 16
Jan 2013 08:27-0800. One of the more problematic is by Michael Paul
Goldenberg (2013) who wrote [bracketed by lines "WWWW. . . .".; my
insert at ". . . . [[insert]]. . . . . .":

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At the risk of interrupting the speculation-fest about Susan
Ohanian's thinking and intent, perhaps one of the fun seekers could
have the decency to contact her and ask. It's not exactly hard to
find her contact information on-line.

Frankly, though, I do wonder about Richard Hake's decision to share
an anecdote from a list. . . . . . . . . [[EDDRA2 with CLOSED
archives at <http://yhoo.it/iNTxrH>]]. . . . that is not open to the
public, with folks in this particular venue, given the predictable
comments it has evoked. We now have a few of the usual snakes and
vipers commenting on Susan Ohanian, a very bright person indeed. I
think he has done her a serious disservice, particularly if he didn't
request permission beforehand.
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No, I did not ask permission to share the anecdote with Math-Teach
and other lists, nor do I think it's necessary to ask permission. In
my post "In Defense of Cross Posting" I wrote:

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A few of the anti-cross-posting (ACP) arguments that I have seen,
followed by my pro-cross-posting (PCP) responses are as follows:

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ACP1. A poster to list DL-A may not want her/his comments spread to
other lists DL-B,C,D,. . . by means of a cross-poster to
DL-A,B,C,D,. . ..

PCP1. In my opinion:

(a) material placed on the web is automatically in the public domain,
and therefore subject to propagation throughout the internet and
beyond - as a visit to Google <http://www.google.com/> will verify.

(b) Confidential, restricted, or sensitive information should, in my
opinion, NEVER be placed on the web.

(c) If DL-A subscribers think their posts to DL-A are so problematic
that will not bare the scrutiny of subscribers to DL-B,C,D. . .then
they might be well advised to avoid posting even to DL-A.
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Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
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REFERENCES [URL shortened by <http://bit.ly/> and accessed on 16 Jan 2013.]
Goldenberg, M.P. 2013. "Re: Do We Learn All the Math We Need For
Ordinary Life Before 5th Grade?" online on the OPEN! Math-Teach
archives at <http://bit.ly/V8bB0I>. Post of 15 Jan 9:54 PM (the
MathForum fails so specify the time zone).

Hake, R.R. 2005a. "In Defense of Cross Posting," online on the OPEN!
AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/iZhS2i> Post of 24 Jul 2005 to
AERA-L and various other discussion lists. See also Hake (2005b,
2010).

Hake, R.R. 2005b. "Cross-Posting - Synergistic or Sinful?" online on
the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/oaRDYa>. Post of 1 Nov
2005 08:37:12-0800 to AERA-L and ITForum.

Hake, R.R. 2010. "A Guide to the ADLsphere: Over Eighty Academic
Discussion Lists With Links To Their Archives & Search Engines,"
online as a 3.9 MB pdf at <http://bit.ly/970OZr> and as ref. 61 at
<http://bit.ly/a6M5y0>.

Hake, R.R. 2013. "Do We Learn All the Math We Need For Ordinary Life
Before 5th Grade?" online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at
<http://bit.ly/10sYmKl>. Post of 13 Jan 2013 16:52:01-0800 to AERA-L
and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post are being
transmitted to several discussion lists and are also on my blog
"Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/RQkucu> with a provision for
comments.






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