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Re: NOVA does another illogic science show-- Ice Age Death Trap
Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:58 AM

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> NOVA's Ice Age Death Trap of Snowmass Colorado.
>
> I posted some long time ago how the interpretation of
> these
> scientist's was awfully bad.

Yes, and the links you gave to some Wikipedia pages are irrefutable proof of that. And the YouTube videos: wonderful evidence on your part, asshole.

Maybe NOVA can only film
> scientists these
> days provided the scientist is free to make any zany
> conclusions.

But, unlike you, they have degrees, and :

THEY DO ACTUAL EXPERIMENTS. You do not, OTOH, just link to
pages and you refer to 20-year-old textbooks
>
> On last week's NOVA of Decoding Neanderthals, they
> announced that the
> first modern humans to enter Europe from Africa was
> 60,000 years ago,
> and here, Daniel Fisher is speculating that a
> mastodon fossil with a
> few scratches is due to ancient human meat cache in a
> lake some 45,000
> years ago. So in last week's NOVA, they had humans
> coming out of
> Africa into Europe to battle Neanderthals some 60,000
> years ago and
> then showing up in North America for Daniel Fisher to
> make meat caches
> in a Colorado Lake. According to my math, that would
> give those
> traveling African Homo sapiens just 15,000 years to
> get across the
> Atlantic Ocean and out to Colorado to make meat
> caches.
>
> Can you see why I belittle NOVA for not having a
> "editor of logic"?
> Because if you allow scientists like Daniel Fisher to
> waffle on about
> their pathetic speculations, NOVA may as well host Ed
> Conrad with his
> "man as old as the Devonian coal theory".
>
> Most scientists are not required to take a course in
> logic when in
> school, and that is a pitiful shame and it shows on
> NOVA programs that
> most scientists are very weak in logic. Let me
> enumerate many errors
> of logic of this particular show:
>
> 1) Occam's Razor says the easiest solution is usually
> the true
> solution. You have an alpine lake which probably was
> dammed up by
> beavers or beaver like creatures and the water is
> frozen in winter
> time. Much like what Jackson Lake in Grand Tetons at
> the dam usually
> has about 3 or 4 or 5 moose fall into the thin ice
> near the dam in
> winter and drown. So Occam's Razor would say the
> easiest solution is a
> frozen lake and thin ice and entire groups of
> mastodons breaking the
> ice and falling in.
>
> 2) Now Dan Fisher is worried that there are no
> predator bones, only
> mastodons, giant sloths, and a few prehistoric bison.
> Just like at
> Jackson Dam there are only moose fallen in, no bears
> since they are
> hibernating and no predators for they could probably
> swim and climb
> out.
>
> 3) Now Dan finds a few bones at another site of the
> lake that is
> surrounded with boulders that appear out of place.
> Well, in natural
> lakes, some years they have flooding from mountain
> streams and those
> boulders fit the profile of those 1 in a 1,000 year
> flooding stream
> carrying boulders. Instead, Dan does not like natural
> explanations and
> so he imagines 45,000 years ago that Homo sapiens had
> been there.
> Another possible explanation is that there used to
> live giant beavers,
> whether in North America, I am not sure, and whether
> a giant beaver
> could have rolled a large boulder to his dam
> construction.
>
> 4) Dan sees some markings on a mastodon bone and
> ascribes that to man
> with a meat cache in the lake water. Someone with
> commonsense would
> ascribe the situation of boulders among bones as the
> boulders tumbled
> over the bones that they would leave a mark on the
> bones. Or to the
> frozen bones with ice making the marks.
>
> 5) Science and Hollywood imagination is not usually
> compatible, but
> Dan seems to prefer the glitz and glammor of
> Hollywood rather than the
> need for science to "get it correct". I speak of the
> silly theory of
> "Shake and Kill followed by Shake and Bury" proposed
> by Daniel Fisher
> and demonstrated by Eugene Schwieg and Kirk Johnson.
> I am guessing
> that they came up with this theory because the plain
> truth of a frozen
> lake and animals falling in and drowning is not
> Hollywood glitzy
> enough. Perhaps being a Colorado Museum director
> requires glitz and
> glammor to allure the crowds rather than the honest
> science truth of
> what happened. Why were those bones not showing
> evidence of predators
> eating them while stuck in the mud or sand? The
> answer is that they
> were never stuck, and Earthquake Liquefaction never
> killed them, but
> rather the lake was frozen over and when you have too
> many mastodon on
> the ice they break it, fall in and drown and there
> are no evidence of
> predation.
>
> 6) Since the last time I saw this NOVA show, a year
> ago, maybe longer,
> they reported some new findings. Fisher had the
> mastodon tusks
> analyzed for when they died at Snowmass and not to my
> surprise it was
> between winter and spring season that these animals
> died. Further
> supporting the idea that they simply fell through the
> ice.
>
> It is my opinion that if NOVA continues to show
> science shows where
> they fail miserably in logic, that the best
> scientists will begin to
> refuse to be on a NOVA show, because the quality of
> NOVA is no quality
> at all, but just the fanning of silly opinions and
> speculation.
>
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