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Topic: A good probability puzzle but what is the right wording?
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Re: A good probability puzzle but what is the right wording?
Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:28 AM
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quasi wrote:
>quasi wrote:
>>Paul wrote:
>>>The following puzzle is copied and pasted from the internet.
>>> Alice secretly picks two different real numbers by an unknown
>>> process and puts them in two (abstract) envelopes. Bob
>>> chooses one of the two envelopes randomly (with a fair coin
>>> toss), and shows you the number in that envelope. You must
>>> now guess whether the number in the other, closed envelope
>>> is larger or smaller than the one you?ve seen. Is there a
>>> strategy which gives you a better than 50% chance of guessing
>>> correctly, no matter what procedure Alice used to pick her
>>> numbers?

>>Let R denote the set of real numbers and let (0,1) denote
>>the open interval from 0 to 1.
>>Let f : R -> (0,1) be a strictly decreasing function.
>>Use the following strategy:
>>If the initially exposed value is t, "switch" with probability
>>f(t) and "stay" with probability 1 - f(t).
>>Suppose Alice chooses the pair x,y with x < y (by whatever
>>process, it doesn't matter). After Alice choose that pair,
>>then, by following the strategy I specified above, the
>>probability of guessing the highest card is exactly
>> (1/2)*f(x) + (1/2)*(1 - f(y))
>>which simplifies to
>> 1/2 + f(x) - f(y)

>I meant:
>which simplifies to
> 1/2 + (1/2)*(f(x) - f(y))

>>and that exceeds 1/2 since f is strictly decreasing.
>>Of course, it's not the case that probability of guessing
>>correctly is more than c for any fixed c > 1/2, but the
>>problem didn't require that.

Moreover, the strategies I outlined (using a decreasing
function f: R -> (0,1)) are the _only_ strategies that can
guarantee (regardless of Alice's choice process) a more than
50% chance of guessing the highest value.

In other words, for _all_ other guessing strategies, there
exists at least one choice process for Alice that ensures
at most a 50% chance of guessing the highest value.

Also, for any fixed c > 1/2, there is no guessing strategy
which can guarantee a probability of at least c for
guessing the highest value.


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