On 5 Feb, 09:06, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote: > In article > <d3216116-2862-491e-a53a-fc52a2d74...@r8g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 5 Feb, 04:30, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 4 Feb, 11:02, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > JT wrote: > > > > > > Building new natural numbers without zero using NyaN, in any base, > > > > > [...] > > > > > You seem to confuse numbers and digits. Both of these are true: > > > > There is a number zero. > > > > Numbers can be symbolized without the digit zero. > > > > > -- > > > > When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by > > > > this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. > > > > Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting > > > > No there is no zero in my list of naturals, in my list is each natural > > > number a discrete ***items***, ***entity*** with a magnitude. > > > Sorry a single natural is a single entity or item with a certain > > magnitude, the numbers is counted in forming sets. > > If one counts the members of sets to get natural numbers then counting > the members of the empty set shuld give us a natural too. > --
Isn't it the members forming sets, without any member how can there be a set? The set is just a placeholder for numbers, it is not a mathematical entity. Balls and buckets (bucket 1=6 balls) (bucket 2=3 balls) now i pour over the three balls to the bucket 2 and we have nine balls in bucket two. And you ask me what todo with the empty bucket?