Virgil
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Re: Which naturals better?
Posted:
Feb 5, 2013 7:19 PM
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In article
<a80c3b0f-813f-4461-b4b0-545374f1040d@dp10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
JT <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Feb, 09:06, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
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> > <d3216116-2862-491e-a53a-fc52a2d74...@r8g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
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> > JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 5 Feb, 04:30, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 4 Feb, 11:02, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > Building new natural numbers without zero using NyaN, in any base,
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> > > > > You seem to confuse numbers and digits. Both of these are true:
> > > > > There is a number zero.
> > > > > Numbers can be symbolized without the digit zero.
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> > > > > When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by
> > > > > this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
> > > > > Jonathan Swift: Thoughts on Various Subjects, Moral and Diverting
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> > > > No there is no zero in my list of naturals, in my list is each natural
> > > > number a discrete ***items***, ***entity*** with a magnitude.
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> > > Sorry a single natural is a single entity or item with a certain
> > > magnitude, the numbers is counted in forming sets.
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> > If one counts the members of sets to get natural numbers then counting
> > the members of the empty set shuld give us a natural too.
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> Isn't it the members forming sets, without any member how can there be
> a set?
Given any two sets, one should have an intersection set whose mambers
are only those in both of the given sets, so what is the intersection
set for {1,3,5} and {2,4,6} if not an empty set?
> The set is just a placeholder for numbers, it is not a mathematical
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A set is a container for whatever one wished to put in it.
> Balls and buckets (bucket 1=6 balls) (bucket 2=3 balls) now i pour
> over the three balls to the bucket 2 and we have nine balls in bucket
> two. And you ask me what todo with the empty bucket?
Do you not believe a bucket can be empty?
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