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Topic: This is False. 0/0 {x | x ~e x} e {x | x ~e x} A single Principle

Replies: 53   Last Post: Feb 13, 2013 3:53 PM

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 Graham Cooper Posts: 4,495 Registered: 5/20/10
Re: This is False. 0/0 {x | x ~e x} e {x | x ~e x} A single Principle

Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:09 PM

On Feb 10, 10:19 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 1:51 am, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
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> > On 2/5/2013 9:32 AM, Charlie-Boo wrote:
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> > > On Feb 4, 4:26 pm, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
> > >> On 2/4/2013 8:46 AM, Charlie-Boo wrote:
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> > >>> On Feb 4, 12:25 am, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
> > >>>> On 2/3/2013 10:19 PM, Charlie-Boo wrote:
> > >>>> <snip>

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> > >>>>>>>> In PROLOG we use lowercase words for TERMS
> > >>>>>>>> and uppercase words for VARIABLES

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> > >>>>>>>> ATOMIC PREDICATE
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> > >>>>>>> ATOMIC PREDICATE meaning relation?
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> > >>>>>>> C-B
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> > >>>>>> RELATION
> > >>>>>> p(a, b, e)

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> > >>>>> If wffs are built on relations then { x | x ~e x } is not a wff
> > >>>>> because ~e is not a relation.

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> > >>>> Well-formed formulas are built from the alphabet
> > >>>> of a formal language.  If the language contains
> > >>>> a symbol of negation, then NOT(xex) will be a
> > >>>> well-formed formula.

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> > >>> You have to define what value a symbol may have - how it is
> > >>> interpreted in your definition of a wff.  You need to complete B
> > >>> below to see there is no paradox if you are consistent about what a
> > >>> wff may contain and what values it may equal after substitution
> > >>> (interpretation) if it contains variables for functions.

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> > >> First, I was not in a good mood when I posted.  So, I may
> > >> have been too dogmatic.

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> > >> What you seem to be objecting to is the historical development
> > >> of a logical calculus along the lines of Brentano and DeMorgan.

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> > I meant Bolzano here.
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> > > The only objecting in my Set Theory proposal is perhaps objecting to
> > > the fact that ZF has a dozen messy axioms, a dozen competing
> > > axiomatizations, a dozen interpretations of the most popular
> > > Axiomatization, and (Wikipedia), The precise meanings of the terms
> > > associated with the separation axioms has varied over time.  The
> > > separation axioms have had a convoluted history, with many competing
> > > meanings for the same term, and many competing terms for the same
> > > concept.

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> > > (DeMorgan is an example of why Logic and Set Theory are the same thing
> > > and should be combined - same as Math and Computer Science etc.)

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> > How do you see Logic and Set Theory as being the same?
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> Both are concerned with mappings to {true,false}.  A propositional
> calculus proposition is 0-place.  A set is 1-place.  A relation is any
> number of places.  (A relation is a set - of tuples.)
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> So you have the same rules of inference: Double Negative, DeMorgan
> etc. apply to propositions and sets.
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> To prove incompleteness, Godel had to generalize wffs as expressing
> propositions to expressing sets when the wff has a free variable.
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> C-B
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Yes but you change the rules of the game depending what you want to
prove.

Let:

LANGUAGE 1 LANGUAGE 2

seta(x) <-> x e seta

proof(x) <-> x e proof

proveby(x,y) <-> (x,y) e proveby

russell(x) <-> not( x e x)

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In ZFC you "UNSTRATIFY" Russel's set
but in all theories > PA you necessitate Godel's Statment!

Sheer blindness!

TOM: Jerry can't say this sentence is true!
JERRY: Tom can't say this sentence is true!

TOM AND JERRY ARE *INCOMPLETE* !!

must be unrelated to logic!

Herc
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www.BLoCKPROLOG.com

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