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Topic: 0.9999... = 1 that means mathematics ends in contradiction
Replies: 53   Last Post: Mar 18, 2013 9:33 PM

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 fom Posts: 1,968 Registered: 12/4/12
Re: 0.9999... = 1 that means mathematics ends in contradiction
Posted: Mar 13, 2013 3:07 PM

On 3/13/2013 9:57 AM, JT wrote:
> On 13 mar, 15:48, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 13 mar, 15:39, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On 13 mar, 14:42, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 13 mar, 13:58, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On 13 mar, 10:42, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> On 3/12/2013 10:24 PM, Virgil wrote:
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>>>>>>> spermato...@yahoo.com wrote:

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>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:19:51 AM UTC+11, 1treePetrifiedForestLane
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> yes, and the proper infinite series with which
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>>>>>>>>> it is to be compared, is the "real number,"
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>>>>>>>>> 1.0000..., not omitting any of the zeroes
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>>>>>>>>> on your little blackboard, dood.
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>>>>>>>>> see Simon Stevins; *creation* of teh decimals,
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>>>>>>>>> including this sole ambiguity, 15cce.
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>>>>>>>>>> It s a symbol which represents an "infinite series",
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>>>>>>>>>> which in turn is a sequence.
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>>>>>>>> yesw but .9999... is a non-finite number
>>>>>>>> and 1.0000.. is a finite number
>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>> when maths shows
>>>>>>>> .9999... is a non-finite number = 1.0000.. is a finite number

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>>>>>>> 0.9999... and 1.0000... are numerals (names of numbers), not numbers.
>>>>>>> They are only different names for the same number.

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>>>>>> And, in addition, to say that 1.000... is
>>>>>> finite may also be arguable.

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>>>>>> As names, decimal expansions are what they
>>>>>> are. 1.000... expresses a particular name
>>>>>> exactly. Without the full expression, one
>>>>>> must consider scenarios involving rounding
>>>>>> error. In that case, the finite representation
>>>>>> corresponds to an equivalence class of
>>>>>> decimal expansions that round to whatever
>>>>>> finite number of significant digits specifies
>>>>>> the system of finite abbreviation.

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>>>>>> To say that 1.000... is finite without
>>>>>> qualification is to invoke a convention that
>>>>>> is not intrinsic to the system of names that
>>>>>> grounds the representation.

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>>>>>> Of course, it is a common convention...
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>>>>>> ...that ought not invalidate mathematics.
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>>>>> Silly man 0 is not a mathematical object it have no magnitude when
>>>>> used for counting and measuring it is just a label that an operation
>>>>> exhausted it's operands.

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>>>> 0.999... is just a label unfortunatly the context it try to label 1
>>>> expansion is just an approximation, change base.
>>>> 0.3 in ternary is a correct label in fact it *is* 1 thus you are free
>>>> to write 0.3 or 1 in ternarys, this is not true for decimal
>>>> numbersystem 0.999... do not equal 1, because you can not create the
>>>> set that makes up 1 adding the members of the set ->
>>>> {0.9,0.09,0.009 ...}!= 1 there is no set at this form that equals 1,
>>>> but in ternarys we have no problem to write that the sum of members in
>>>> the set {0.1,0.1,0.1} = 1

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>>> And of course the sum of members in the set
>>> {0.333...,0.333...,0,333...}!=1 since 1/3 can not be expressed in
>>> decimal change base use ternary or use fractions. The label 0.333...
>>> express a number that is not available in decimal base, since it is
>>> impossible to partition a single natural entity in such away that 1/3
>>> is reached.

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>> Plato did understand the difference between naturals and the parts
>> that make them up alot better then modern mathematicians, thus he
>> understood the principles of partitioning and thus recognized that
>> fractions was the only way to deal with decimal expansion with out
>> losing digits since there is no base system that can express all
>> possible fractions.

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> And the truth that Plato understood but that modern mathematicians
> clueless about is that naturals is a countable bottom up approach thus
> they must be discrete in nature, and following this that each natural
> have a magnitude that could be partitioned, but he also understood the
> drawbacks of using a base for partition because he realised that in a
> continum there is an endless amount cuts can be made and there is no
> single base number system that can express them all, and from that he
> draw the conclusion that fractions was the only way to deal with parts
> of a single discrete natural entity.
>

You really just go on and on...

Like the energizer bunny.

Aristotle disagreed with Plato long before Western mathematics
considered the possibility of 0. Since Aristotle, at least,
mathematicians have had to make choices as to whose authority
they would follow if they chose not to follow their own ideas.

Even then, the very words you use in your criticisms probably
originate from the work of Vieta (one must have polynomials
before one recognizes the general form of a base). It is with
Vieta that geometric magnitudes and monadic units are treated
uniformly as numbers.

You need to make your criticisms without using the mathematics
with which you disagree.

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