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Topic: Cantor's absurdity, once again, why not?
Replies: 77   Last Post: Mar 19, 2013 11:02 PM

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 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de Posts: 18,076 Registered: 1/29/05
Re: Cantor's absurdity, once again, why not?
Posted: Mar 14, 2013 6:52 AM

On 14 Mrz., 11:17, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
> On 3/14/2013 4:47 AM, david petry wrote:
>
>
>

> > In a previous aritcle a while back, "marcus_b" wrote:
>
> > ** start quote **
> > In math, the great pons asinorum now is Cantor's diagonal proof.  There seem to be scads of people out there who just cannot quite get it and who yearn to achieve their rightful 15 minutes of fame by trying to shoot it down, thus thrusting themselves ahead of Cantor in the pantheon of mathematical geniuses.  Can you shed some light on the motivation here?
> > ** end quote **

>
> > The "cranks" who insist on pointing out the absurdity of Cantor's argument are puzzled that mathematicians "cannot quite get it".
>
> > Cantor's argument relies on accepting the notion of an actual infinite, and that's problematic.
>
> If you are going to paraphrase Cantor's argument, please do
> so correctly.
>
> Cantor's "argument" is an argument scheme.
>
> It is an argument for constructing a counter-example
> for some particular claim.
>
> A particular claim must be made before Cantor's argument
> can even apply.
>
> That particular claim is that there is a single infinity
> that is referred to in language as an object.

No. That particular claim is that infinity can be complete, that a
list of natural numbers can contain all natural numbers such that no
further one is possible to add. Then Cantor constructs another real
number and shows that it can be included into the list (by mapping n --
> n+1). It is a silly claim, inventing time into mathematics.

Every well-defined Cantor diagonal belongs to the countable set of
nameable real numbers (named by the definition of the list and of the
replacement rule). And undefined Cantor-lists do not yield real
numbers.

Regards, WM

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