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Topic: Epimorphic groups
Replies: 10   Last Post: Apr 5, 2013 3:37 PM

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 Kaba Posts: 289 Registered: 5/23/11
Re: Epimorphic groups
Posted: Apr 5, 2013 5:31 AM

5.4.2013 3:56, Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Apr 4, 6:11 pm, Kaba <k...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let G, G', and H be groups with G a sub-group of G'. Let f : G --> H and
>> f' : G' --> H be surjective homomorphisms such that f = f'|G, the
>> restriction of f' to G. The kernels of f and f' are equal. Does it then
>> follow that G = G'?

>
> Yes. Assume for a contradiction that G is a proper subgroup of G'.
> Choose x in G'\G; then f'(x) is in H. Since f is surjective, f'(x) =
> f(y) for some y in G. Since f is the restriction of f' to G, f'(x) =
> f(y) = f'(y). Since f'(x) = f'(y), x/y is in the kernel of f', which
> is equal to the kernel of f, so x/y is in G. Since x/y is in G and y
> is in G, it follows that x = (x/y)y is in G, contradicting the
> assumption that x is in G'\G.

Very nice, thanks!:)

For those interested, this proves in Clifford algebra that the group of
pinors is equal to the group of (unit) versors, while they look
different by their definition. Both are epimorphic in the above manner
to the group of orthogonal transformations O(V) in a bilinear space V,
and unit versors are a sub-group of pinors.

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Date Subject Author
4/4/13 Kaba
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4/4/13 Butch Malahide
4/5/13 Kaba
4/5/13 Brian Q. Hutchings
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4/5/13 Butch Malahide
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4/4/13 Butch Malahide
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