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Virgil

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Re: Matheology � 238
Posted: Apr 9, 2013 4:26 AM
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<0fce3f67-d9b6-4fd9-9b3c-86e85fb47512@j14g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
WM <mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> On 8 Apr., 23:36, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <c4b02b07-0692-4d46-aae4-2f77826be...@w21g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:

> > > On 8 Apr., 16:27, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 8, 4:09 pm, WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 8 Apr., 15:24, William Hughes <wpihug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Let D be the collection of all finite lines.
> >
> > > > > > Do you agree with
> >
> > > > > > If you remove the collection of all finite
> > > > > > lines from D there is nothing left.

> >
> > > > > > Yes or No
> >
> > > > > Depends
> >
> > > > Wow! WM will not even concede
> > > > that if you have A and take away
> > > > A then you have nothing left.

> >
> > > When talking to a sober scientist, there is no problem to admit that.
> > > But when talking to someone who insists (or is in doubt to insist
> > > because he is not clear in his expression),  that there could be a
> > > difference between an infinite sequence of finite unions of elements
> > > and an infinite union of the same elements, then I would .

> >
> > An infinite sequence of finite unions is still an infinite sequence

>
> containing its union


Not outside of WOLKENMUEKENHEIM .

Outside of WOLKENMUEKENHEIM, no term contains its successor even though
every term has one, thus no finite union, which is all that WM has, can
contain the successor of its largest union member.



, at least in case of von Neuman naturals or the
> list
>
> 1
> 1, 2
> 1, 2, 3
> ...
>
> since every term is the union of itself and all preceeding terms.


But no term is without a successor which it does not contain.

Does WM claim that there is some term in that infinite sequence of von
Neumann naturals, well ordered by inclusion, that does not have a
successor term?

Because unless there is such a term, no such union can contain every
term.
>
> > whereas a union, whether infinite or not, is a set.
>
> Why has an infinite sequence of finite unions in this case not the
> result |N


For much the same reason that no member of the sequence (n-1)/n is equal
to 1.

When each term of an infinite sequence is greater than all its
predecessors with respect to some order relation, as with both sequence
(n-1)/n and the sequence of von Neumann naturals, then the limit, if any
exists at all, must be greater than every member of the sequence.



> Why is |N not a term of the sequence, but the infinite
> union has the result |N?


When each term of an infinite sequence is greater than all its
predecessors with respect to some order relation, as with both sequence
(n-1)/n and the sequence of von Neumann naturals, then the limit, if any
exists at all, must be greater than every member of the sequence.
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