In article <W8idndc9ZvIkvPrMnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>, fom <fomJUNK@nyms.net> wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 3:15 PM, WM wrote: > > On 11 Apr., 22:04, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote: > > > >>> I do not claim to prove this self-evident truth. > >> > >> Then why did you include a line labelled "Proof:"? > > > > Because this self-evident truth is a part of the proof. > > > > "Proof by reality" > > chuckle > > The notion of self-evident premises does not > come from Aristotle's "Posterior Analytics". > > The demonstrative science discussed there depends > on the notion of principles. > > The notion of self-evident truths is to be found > in "Topics". This is the discussion of dialectical > argumentation that grounds rhetoric. > > Aristotle distinguishes thusly: > > Demonstration is argument from principles > > Dialectic is argument from common belief > > > It is not about belief > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxastic#Types_of_reasoners > > see "conceited reasoner"