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Re: Matheology § 246
Posted: Apr 12, 2013 11:24 AM
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On Apr 12, 5:27 pm, WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
> On 12 Apr., 16:14, dullr...@sprynet.com wrote:
>

> > >Cantor's list contains real numbers r as binary or decimal fractions.
> > >Real numbers, however, are /limits/ of binary or decimal fractions.

>
> > No, it _is_ a list of limits of decimal fractions.
>
> There is no such list possible unless you give finite definitions.
> It is impossible to define a number by writing an iinfinite sequence.
>
>
>

> > It passes belief that a person could actually
> > think that such a well known proof could contain
> > such a simple error, without that error being
> > noticed by any of the thousands of mathematicians
> > who've studied the subject for a century or so.

>
> This assumption may be the reason that Cantor's "proof" has been
> believed over 100 years. Try to understand the following. (If you are
> not a too slow thinker, this will happen before midnight.)
>
> Consider a Cantor-list that contains a complete sequence (q_k) of all
> rational numbers q_k. The first n digits of the anti-diagonal d are
> d_1, d_2, d_3, ..., d_n. It can be shown *for every n* that the
> Cantor-
> list beyond line n contains infinitely many rational numbers q_k that
> have the same sequence of first n digits as the anti-diagonal d.
>
> Proof: There are infinitely many rationals q_k with this property.
> All
> are in the list by definition. At most n of them are in the first n
> lines of the list. Infinitely many must exist in the remaining part
> of
> the list. So we have obtained:
>
> For all n exists k: d_1, d_2, d_3, ..., d_n = q_k1, q_k2, q_k3, ...,
> q_kn.
> This theorem it is not less important than Cantor's theorem: For all
> k: d =/= q_k.
>
> Both theorems contradict each other with the result that finished
> infinity as presumed for transfinite set theory is not a valid
> mathematical notion.
>
> Regards, WM


They do not contradict each other :
Cantor's affirmation (in its full form) is :

1) forall k , exist n , d_n =/= q_kn

Your (valid) theorem is :

2) forall n , exists k , d_1 = q_k1 and d_2 = q_k2 and ..... d_n =
q_kn

The negation of Cantor theorem would reverse the quantifiers , that
is :
Cantor negated :

3) exists k , forall n , d_n == q_kn

Now , this sounds similar, but not the same as your theorem .
Let's put side by side a simplified version of your theorem , and the
Cantor negation:

2) forall n , exists k d_n = q_kn //your theorem
3) exists k , forall n , d_n == q_kn //Cantor's negative

They look remarkably the same, but they say different things ,
swapping the order of quantifiers has important consequences .

2) forall children , exists woman , woman is child's mother

//this has the same structure as your theorem .
It says "every child has a woman such that the woman is it's mother"

3) exists woman , forall children , woman is child's mother

//this has the same structure as the Cantor negation .
It says "there exists a (single , unique ) woman, who is the mother
of every child" .





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