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Topic: Matheology § 238
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 fom Posts: 1,968 Registered: 12/4/12
Re: Matheology § 238
Posted: Apr 13, 2013 11:30 AM

On 4/13/2013 5:49 AM, WM wrote:
> On 13 Apr., 11:04, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
>> On 4/13/2013 3:52 AM, WM wrote:
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>>> On 13 Apr., 02:31, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
>>>> In article

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>>>> WM <mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de> wrote:
>>>>> Cantor shows that by the diagonal argument the n-th line can be
>>>>> removed from the set of potential duplicates of d.
>>>>> He concludes that every line can be removed from the set of
>>>>> potential duplicates of d.

>>
>>>> WM may claim that, but Cantor never said anything like it.
>>
>>>> What Cantor DID say was that given any list of infinite binary sequences
>>>> of letters from {"m","w"}, there is at least one such sequence not
>>>> listed

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>>> and he did not only claim (like you), but he proved this statement by
>>> continuing: da sonst f r das betreffende m und f r alle ganzzahligen
>>> Werte von n
>>> b_n = a_m,n

>>
>>> also auch im besonderen
>>> b_m = a_mm.

>>
>>> This shows that for every m : a_m can be removed from the set of
>>> potential candidates for the identity b = a_m.

>>
>>> Yes, that is what he did. And I guess that during his whole life he
>>> never, not even remotely, considered the possibility that
>>> A) every a_m can be removed from the list of candidates
>>> could fail to imply
>>> C) All a_m can be removed from the list of candidates,
>>> such that this list is empty after removing has been completed.

>>
>> Well, since he was effectively paying for the sins
>> of Isaac Newton, arguing for the end of established
>> physics would have been just about the last thing
>> he would have "remotely" considered.-

>
> You err again. Because you are too illiterate. Cantor had devised his
> set theory in order to revolutionize physics. All matter is countable,
> the ether is uncountable. Only much later it turned out that
> transfinity is good for exactly nothing. But the matheologians dcould
> not refrain from their pet.

No error. I am fully aware that Cantor held metaphysical
beliefs.

But, what origin to the nonsense? A natural philosopher
with no philosophy to explain himself -- Newton.

It does not matter. If it had not been Newton, it
would have been someone else. "Action at a distance"
had to come before spacetime curvature. And there is
no explanation for the conflation of arithmetical
monads and geometrical magnitudes in the algebra. So,
that goes back to Vieta and Descartes.

The mathematical problems are epistemic problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma

But, if WM wishes to bring the aether into the
discussion of what can and cannot be counted, then
we should do that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#Einstein.27s_views_on_the_aether

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories#Dark_Energy_as_Aether

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories#Quantum_vacuum

Where does WM think his precious "science" has been
taking the world? It requires higher and higher energies
to describe smaller and smaller pieces of what you
refer to as "countable".

And, when it comes to WM's grand theory of how
material objects are countable in the universe, it would
seem that the Leibnizian existents of possible world
semantics or counterpart semantics account for what
may be counted at all as a substantive material object:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy#Conservation_of_energy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conserved_current

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Basic_illustrations_and_Background

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_%28physics%29#Quantum_mechanics_and_quantum_field_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles#Vacuums

The fact of the matter is that in WM's world, one is
reduced to an inability to "count objects" at all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_statistics#Quantum_statistics

or even to make a "measurement" in any meaningful
sense that does not require an interpretation of
formal axioms derived from mathematical concepts,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_value_%28quantum_mechanics%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_in_quantum_mechanics#Measurement_from_a_practical_point_of_view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac%E2%80%93von_Neumann_axioms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postulate_of_quantum_mechanics#Postulates_of_quantum_mechanics

It is not the pure mathematicians who go around blabbing
about what is real and what is not.

It is people like WM who confuse the showing of crayon
marks with the hard work of explaining phenomena through
objective representations and interconnecting those
representations into a theoretical unity.

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