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Re: Matheology § 246
Posted: Apr 13, 2013 12:20 PM
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On 4/13/2013 5:10 AM, WM wrote:
> By the
> way, Oberth's ideas at his times have been considered as ridiculous as
> mine few years ago.


What is ridiculous are not your ideas.

What is ridiculous is your desire to treat
the issues of mathematical investigation
in terms of "right" and "wrong".

Your ideas with respect to treating counting
as concatenations of symbols are to be found
in the Russian school of constructive
mathematics.

Prattling on about how ideas you do not like
should be abolished is distasteful, at best.
Making claims that sound mathematical, but
are not, is unprofessional. Pretending that
these claims are grounded in the physical
universe as described by empirical evidence
is bad philosophy.

That is what is ridiculous.

The issues of transfinite arithmetic do
have bearing on the mathematics used by
physicists. It may well be that some
confluence of empirical data and set-theoretic
models actually decide a question in the
future. But unless untestable theories
such as string theory or loop quantum
gravity are considered and unless forcing
models on countable transitive models of
set theory examine different modal possibilities,
that confluence will never be recognized.

It is clear that certain physical investigations
do not require any mathematics or physics beyond
the late nineteenth century. This is the same
mathematics and physics whose probabilistic
models depend on a classical probability theory
based on measure theory that uses the axiom of
choice. Your views of what is required from
mathematics fall into this pre-axiomatic era.

The problems arose as all the mathematics
used to coordinate all of the empirical data
became the justification for the truth of the
philosophies developing in that industrial
age. Everyone thought the mathematics would
simply justify the beliefs of the new professionals
called "scientists".

Mathematics has certainly supported empirical
science, and, empirical science has contributed
a great deal to mathematics. But, those philosophical
debates are precisely what created the information
age. You may look to Claude Shannon for the details
of bits and bytes. He was employed by a commercial
enterprise whose unit of measurement had been the
almighty dollar. But, the theory of algorithms
derives from those philosophical debates.

Undoubtedly, as the discipline of mathematics is
practiced primarily in computational environments,
the significance of classical mathematics with its
classical logic will be less prominent. The
"newspeak" of this culture is already felt with
phrases like "common era" to obscure the system of
calendar dates based on the influence of
Christianity in Western culture. One is now hearing
how it is too expensive to change the clocks on
computing systems to keep synchronized with
astronomical calculations. I can see a day when
people speak of "nominal time" disconnected from
"GPS time" or "satellite time" just because
"counting with crayon marks" is the "right way".

Anyway, your narrow views are just your beliefs.

What is ridiculous is that you insist that everyone
should abide by your views. What is not ridiculous
is that you probably feel that the current situation
in the mathematical community is imposing that
exact situation on you. You are fortunate that this
is probably the worst injustice "the system" commits
against you.








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