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Topic: Interpreting ZFC
Replies: 14   Last Post: Apr 30, 2013 3:45 PM

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 me 154934 Posts: 32 Registered: 10/1/12
Re: Interpreting ZFC
Posted: Apr 30, 2013 12:00 AM

On Apr 30, 4:40 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:47 pm, me <me154...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 30, 3:29 am, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 29, 1:30 pm, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
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> > > > On 4/28/2013 9:36 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
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> > > > > the problem with mereology is it uses ALL(S) quantifier
> > > > > and C (subset) to co-define each other..

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> > > > That is a nice observation Herc.
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> > > > The only problem is that the foundational
> > > > investigations for mathematics have a historical
> > > > context.

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> > > > What is correct about mereology is that it is
> > > > consistent with Leibniz.  In analyzing the notion
> > > > of class, Lesniewski concluded that the existential
> > > > import of a class and its constituents is
> > > > simultaneous.  In describing the difference, he
> > > > explained the notion as intensional and contrasted
> > > > it with the extensional logic of a Fregean or a
> > > > Russellian approach.

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> > > > In like fashion, Leibniz contrasted his notion
> > > > of logic with the extensional Scholastic logic.
> > > > In this respect Leibniz' logic is also intensional
> > > > for a different reason.  In Leibniz' case, the sense
> > > > of the syllogistic hierarchy had been characterized
> > > > by informational complexity.  In other words, a genus
> > > > is part of a species because more information is needed
> > > > to specify a species than that of the genus with which
> > > > it is associated.

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> > > > It is an unfortunate fact that most of modern
> > > > foundational mathematics is overly influenced by
> > > > Russell without questioning Russell's philosophy.

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> > > > For what this is worth, Cantor rejected the "extension
> > > > of a concept" formulation used by Frege and Russell.
> > > > In fact, Cantor's notion of sets involves a "theory
> > > > of ones" approach which suggests a Leibnizian view
> > > > of individuation.

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> > > > I would argue that the problem with the received
> > > > paradigm is that the sign of equality is improperly
> > > > characterized.  Leibniz' original introduction of
> > > > the principle of identity of indiscernibles involves
> > > > geometric intuitions not represented in the logicist
> > > > framework of Frege and Russell.

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> > > > Your criticism of mereology will be believed by those
> > > > who have not pursued what the original sources have
> > > > written.  And, it will be respected by me because of
> > > > its insight.  It is, however, a statement that does
> > > > not question the alternative which is equally nonsensical.

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> > > > Analytical philosophy is based on one thing -- avoid epistemology
> > > > at all costs.  When one denies that position, there are
> > > > not many choices,

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> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchhausen_Trilemma
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> The Münchhausen Trilemma (after Baron Münchhausen, who allegedly
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> > > TODAY!
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> > > Ponytail stunt ends in death
> > > A daredevil stuntman has died while attempting to cross a river using
> > > just his ponytail.

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> > >http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/world/16933347/Ponytail-stunt...
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> > > That answers that question!
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> VERY NEXT DAY!  Check the Yankee Uniform on this guy!
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> http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/world/16933347/Ponytail-stunt/
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> Same as the guy in the Wiki picture!!
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> COINCIDENCE!
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> > > Herc
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> > > www.,BLoCKPROLOG.com

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> > I am actually a different species, you guys are racists amongst each
> > other! you know what that means

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> Herc

well, thanks to your tip off 'us invisible 'we'' if you like a
romantic sci fi reference think the 'Q' have already solved a debate
about the nature of new databased techniques and the problems of
integration between modern formulae and ancient stuff ...so Herc! ta !
X Hugs

get on with what you like, so soooorrry that you have found that
formula to fame..kinda pithy interfering choices there, huh? as I say
I 'copped out'.. maybe you are made of stringer stuff. By the way
MindPixels stuff was rooted with any old Tate brother someplace..where
did you get your 'push' , huh? I have a guess about that and you are
safest, and a hell of a lot safer than old Mindpixels

Date Subject Author
4/26/13 Zaljohar@gmail.com
4/27/13 Jan Burse
4/27/13 Zaljohar@gmail.com
4/29/13 me 154934
4/29/13 Graham Cooper
4/29/13 me 154934
4/29/13 Graham Cooper
4/30/13 me 154934
4/30/13 Graham Cooper
4/30/13 fom
4/30/13 me 154934
4/30/13 Graham Cooper
4/30/13 Zaljohar@gmail.com