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Re: mathematical infinite as a matter of method
Posted: May 3, 2013 10:13 PM
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On 5/3/2013 7:54 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
> On May 4, 10:03 am, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
>> On 5/3/2013 5:03 PM, Graham Cooper wrote:
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>>> On May 3, 8:15 pm, fom <fomJ...@nyms.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/3/2013 2:43 AM, Graham Cooper wrote:
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>>>>> Its not possible to test Equality by Extension in the inf. case.
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>>>> That is correct Herc.
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>>>> On the other hand, it is not possible to interpret
>>>> the universal quantifier as a universal statement if
>>>> it is interpreted as a course-of-values.

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>>>> Aristotle wrote this. It is ignored by a certain
>>>> contingent of the mathematical community who merely
>>>> argues on the basis of beliefs concerning infinity.

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>>>> You know well that any computer system balances
>>>> choices that affect performance. Relational databases
>>>> run faster on logic chips optimized for integral
>>>> arithmetic as opposed to floating point. The analogy
>>>> applies here.

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>>>> Brouwer had been clear concerning how the effectiveness
>>>> of working with finite sets differed from working
>>>> with infinite sets. But, the reason infinity enters
>>>> mathematics is because it is how the identity relation
>>>> is extended to convey the geometric completeness of a
>>>> line when used to represent the real number system.

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>>>> Infinity does not arise because of testability. It
>>>> arises because of the nature of the identity relation.

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>>> If there are more SETS in ZFC than FORMULA in ZFC
>>> (David C Ullrich)

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>>> ZFC FORMULA | ZFC SETS
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>>> 1 ___________ a i
>>> 2 ___________ b p q r
>>> 3 ___________ c j n
>>> 4 ___________ d s t k u v
>>> 5 ___________ e z w
>>> ...

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>>> THEN WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ...
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>>> A SET OF ZFC ?
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>> I actually agree with you somewhat here.
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>> Nevertheless, if one restricts to countable
>> models, then it is clear that there must be
>> real numbers not represented. In particular,

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> No, you're entitled to that view but hundreds of people say it is NOT
> clear.
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I will look at the rest in a moment, but forcing
is not a diagonalization argument.



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