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Topic: Matheology � 263
Replies: 57   Last Post: May 17, 2013 8:52 PM

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 Virgil Posts: 8,833 Registered: 1/6/11
Re: Matheology � 263
Posted: May 16, 2013 12:51 AM

In article
Graham Cooper <grahamcooper7@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 1:10 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > In article
> >  Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On May 16, 10:32 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > On May 15, 6:14 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <0982dd8e-550d-4f48-a918-b9b7b3c00...@oy9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > > On May 15, 12:21 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
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> > > > > > > > > GIVEN A LIST OF SUBSETS OF N
> >
> > > > > > > > > you admit you cannot calculate ANY members of a supposed
> > > > > > > > > missing
> > > > > > > > > set.

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> > > > > > Not without the complete list.
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> > > > > > > > > f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
> > > > > > > > > f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
> > > > > > > > > f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> > > > > > > > > f(4) = { 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 }

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> > > > > > > > > IS 2 e MISSINGSET ?
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> > > > > > > > > Last time asking.
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> > > > > > > > Yes! As previously answered 2 is a member of at least one such
> > > > > > > > missing
> > > > > > > > set. And so is 3, of at least for one such missing set.
> > > > > > > > But there are more sets missing than not missing and 2 need not
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > missing from every one of those "missing sets".

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> > > > > > > So Missing Set = { ......... } ????
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> > > > > > No missing set can be identified without first having the list of
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > the sets which are not missing.

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> > > > > You can't calculate any members at all of any missing set ?
> >
> > > > There is no natural which is necessarily a member of every missing set
> > > > so until you tell me a lot more about which naturals are or not in your
> > > > missing set, I cannot tell you anything about which naturals are or not
> > > > in your missing set.

> >
> > > How many missing sets have you specified?
> >
> > I haven't specified any of them. they get specified by anyone trying to
> > list all subsets of |N, as being the ones that aren't listed when he/she
> > is done.
> >

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> If I list |N| subsets then I specify all the missing subsets?
>
> Here you said:
>
> If f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 } and f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> then 2 and 3 will be in that set, S.
>
> What is set S?

I told you before at least twice that for any listing f:|N -> 2^|N the
set S = { n in |N : ~ n in f(n) } will not be not listed.

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