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Graham Cooper

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Re: Matheology § 263
Posted: May 16, 2013 3:33 AM
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On May 16, 5:22 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8d9a4771-295b-445a-a79c-e76558010...@li6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
>  Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 16, 2:51 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <4fd8e46d-e4b7-4c80-9d5e-c3338aeaa...@a10g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > On May 16, 1:10 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <027323ca-c76e-4a38-9fe3-05a7e9f97...@j2g2000pbx.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > On May 16, 10:32 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <237329e6-bd08-4bdf-94ce-c6eb87af6...@oy6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > On May 15, 6:14 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <0982dd8e-550d-4f48-a918-b9b7b3c00...@oy9g2000pbb.googlegroups.c
> > > > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 12:21 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > In article
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> > > > > > > > > > > > GIVEN A LIST OF SUBSETS OF N
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> > > > > > > > > > > > you admit you cannot calculate ANY members of a supposed
> > > > > > > > > > > > missing
> > > > > > > > > > > > set.

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> > > > > > > > > Not without the complete list.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
> > > > > > > > > > > > f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
> > > > > > > > > > > > f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> > > > > > > > > > > > f(4) = { 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 }

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> > > > > > > > > > > > IS 2 e MISSINGSET ?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Last time asking.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yes! As previously answered 2 is a member of at least one
> > > > > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > > missing
> > > > > > > > > > > set. And so is 3, of at least for one such missing set.
> > > > > > > > > > > But there are more sets missing than not missing and 2 need
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > missing from every one of those "missing sets".

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> > > > > > > > > > So Missing Set = { ......... } ????
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> > > > > > > > > No missing set can be identified without first having the list
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > the sets which are not missing.

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> > > > > > > > You can't calculate any members at all of any missing set ?
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> > > > > > > There is no natural which is necessarily a member of every missing
> > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > so until you tell me a lot more about which naturals are or not in
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > missing set, I cannot tell you anything about which naturals are or
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > in your missing set.

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> > > > > > How many missing sets have you specified?
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> > > > > I haven't specified any of them. they get specified by anyone trying to
> > > > > list all subsets of |N, as being the ones that aren't listed when
> > > > > he/she
> > > > > is done.

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> > > > If I list |N| subsets then I specify all the missing subsets?
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> > > > Here you said:
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> > > > If f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 } and f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> > > > then 2 and 3 will be in that set, S.

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> > > > What is set S?
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> > > I told you before at least twice that for any listing f:|N -> 2^|N the
> > > set S = { n in |N : ~ n in f(n) } will not be not listed.

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> > > Is your memory failing?
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> > Is S defined or specified?
> > [Y|N]

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> See above!
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> > Can you calculate ANY values of S given f() so far????
> > [Y|N]

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> See above!
>


Given f so far


f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
f(4) = { 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 }


what is S so far?

I know |f| and |S| are both infinite. No need to regurgitate that
irrelevant fact every post!

IS 1 e S ??
IS 2 e S ??
IS 3 e S ??
IS 3 e S ??

One would expect you to be able to instantiate the formula you post 20
times a day for 10 years!

Herc


Date Subject Author
5/10/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
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Scott Berg
5/16/13
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Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil

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