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Graham Cooper

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Re: Matheology § 263
Posted: May 17, 2013 6:01 PM
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On May 17, 4:56 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> In article
> <908dc969-04a4-40d7-acdd-2b0ac5791...@a10g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>,
>  Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On May 17, 4:08 pm, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <9d6b39cd-b349-4d9b-a34e-a759e81cb...@ul7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> > >  Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > On May 17, 11:51 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <3fb4082c-a455-47a8-a931-c219fd2fb...@qc10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > > > > > On May 17, 10:57 am, Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > OK, use
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> > > > > > > > f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
> > > > > > > > f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
> > > > > > > > f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> > > > > > > > f(4) = { 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 }

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> > > > > > > > f(n) = N | n>4
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> > > > > > > > What is set S?
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> > > > > > > Note that there are only 5 subsets of N that ARE in the image of
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > 'f' out of uncountably many subsets of |N to chose from that will
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > S's, i.e., subset of |N but not values of f.

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> > > > > > > They are
> > > > > > > every finite subset of |N having
> > > > > > > less that 3 members
> > > > > > > or exactly 4 members,
> > > > > > > or more than 5 members,
> > > > > > > or containing either 2, or a natural larger than 8,
> > > > > > > and every infinite subset of |N other than f(3) and |N.

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> > > > > > > Take your pick.
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> > > > > `
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> > > > So Cantor's Method does not work?
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> > > Since there are far more sets not in the image of any function from |N
> > > to 2^|N  than in its image, why are you so hot to get one in particular?

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> > > > Your method (white box inspection) does not work for every possible f,
> > > > as such it is of no consequence.

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> > > Name one it does not work for!
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> > > > GIVEN A SPECIFIC f, WHAT IS CANTORS MISSING SET?
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> > > If you could pick a subset of |N at random, it would almost certainly
> > > not be in the image of any randomly chosen function.

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> > > > All your answers are wrong!
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> > > They are not in the image of the function you presented, which is all
> > > they are asked to be.

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> > NO!  THIS is the question.
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> >  f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
> >  f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
> >  f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6, 8 , 10 , ... }
> >  f(4) = { 4 , 5, 6, 7, 8 }

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> >  f(n) = N | n>4
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> > What is set S?
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> > from 1 function f() you get 1 set S
>
> Actually, one has far more sets, S,  not in the image of any such
> function than are in its image.
>
> The smallest is {}, every one element set also works, as does every two
> element set, and all but two of the countably many three element sets.
>
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> > You can post *piffle* AFTER you've
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> > CALCULATED_CANTORS_MISSING_SET
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> Cantors does not say that there is no more than one such set, he just
> said that there is at least one, and I have provided at least one, in
> fact uncountably many of them.
>



I want to see the FORMULA

{ n | n ~e f(n) }

WORK ON

 f(1) = { 1 , 3 , 6 }
 f(2) = { 1 , 5 , 11 }
 f(3) = { 2 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 10 }
 f(4) = { 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 }

 f(n) = N | n>4


ALL VALUES OF f() ARE SPECIFIED.

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Does your favorite Cantors formula

S = { n | n ~e f(n) }

WORK on the GIVEN f ?

If it does - WHAT IS S ?


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Not interested in any other missing sets or explanations ABOUT S.

JUST WHAT IS S given that f ?


Herc


Date Subject Author
5/10/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/13/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/15/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Scott Berg
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/16/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil
5/17/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology § 263
Graham Cooper
5/14/13
Read Re: Matheology � 263
Virgil

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