"Absolutely Vertical" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:firstname.lastname@example.org... > On 6/6/2013 10:48 PM, Tom Potter wrote: >> "Absolutely Vertical" <email@example.com> wrote in message >> news:firstname.lastname@example.org... >>> On 6/6/2013 9:56 AM, Tom Potter wrote: >>>> Do you think that people >>>> should get a reasonable rate of return >>>> for the time, mind and money >>>> they expend acquiring information about a "tool". >>> >>> as far as i know, fundamental science research is not done for the sake >>> of >>> a 'reasonable rate of return'. why do you think it should be? >> >> What other social functions do you think >> should operate carte blanche >> other than war and fundamental science reseach? > > none of them should operate carte blanche. it's just that the measurable > objectives of those activities are not practical applications in near > term. they have _different_ measures of success. > > the objective of defense and war is the security of the people of a > nation. > the objective of fundamental research is the advancement of knowledge for > its own sake. > the objective of support of the arts out of public funds is the > intellectual and esthetic health of the people. > the objective of support of public parks and protected lands is the > preservation of natural, undeveloped, unexploited resources for their own > sake. > the objective of space exploration is simply that: exploration. > the objective of support of emergency assistance for the least, the last, > and the lost is purely social altruism and expression of moral code. > > none of these objectives have to do with practical applications in the > near term, but are considered just as valuable -- by the majority.
An examination of history clearly shows that government leaders and government operatives
take advantage of transient "objectives" and create long-lived, cancerous systems
that they use to obtain and maintain power, wealth, security, and immunity from their errors, omissions, abuses and crimes.
Many wars have been waged, most for booty and ego,
and very few for the security of the people.
Witness the recent war against the Iraqi people that destabilized the Middle East, and put America into moral and economic freefall.
I suggest that INDIVIDUALS and groups should not be able use governments to FORCE other folks to diminish their resources so they can pursuit "knowledge for its own sake".
If an INDIVIDUAL and group wants to pursuit "knowledge for its own sake" they should have to do it with their own resources.
A better system is needed than allowing special interest groups get Congressmen elected that will FORCE folks to fund the life styles and pursuit of "knowledge for its own sake" by special interest groups.
I dare say that the people who use OPM < Other people's money> to pursuit "knowledge for its own sake"
consume more and generate less, have more leisure time and security, etc. than migrant workers, factory and retail workers, etc. that are FORCED by government to pay the bill.