On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Robert Hansen <email@example.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 10, 2013, at 8:55 PM, kirby urner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > > You make that mistake often: confusing a concept in your head with a > changing reality. "Biz math" is whatever "biz" needs in the way of "math" > from its cubicle people and if you've been in a cubicle lately you know > that not just Excel is important but Microsoft Access. > > > Remember, I work with cubicles, you do not. Yet that never stops you from > positing what cubicle people do or for that matter, what professional > programmers do. The only changing reality is that I hired more foreign born > people this year than last. I know what biz math is because that is my > business to know. For the last decade my chief focus has been business > intelligence and financial analytics. The ratio of Excel to Access is 100 > to 1. In fact, it isn't even part of the standard MS Office bundle and > hasn't been for some time now. >
That's been your conceit (literary trope), that you have more familiarity with "cube space" than I do. However count me a skeptic in that regard. I've been around the block a few times and am older. My "child" just turned 19. Yours is still a cub scout.
I dropped out of boy scouts because I could just as easily go camping on my own, including with friends. You could say we formed our own troupe. Anyway, we were in Italy and running a US-style scouting program was somewhat challenging for the adults.
Mom was a den mother, bless her heart. The son of the South Korean ambassador to Italy was in our den. Hayden's dad took us for Webelos.
Even if the ratio of Excel to Access were 1000:1, my observations still stands, that business infrastructure is SQL driven and when you have 12 years of seat time to prepare for technologies you might encounter in the real world, at least of brief encounter with SQL makes tremendous sense. Ticket sales, any eCommerce, banking, all SQL + noSQL.
That 1 in 100 Access jock is probably the "go to" person for computer questions then. If you've got Access on your desk, you might also have ArcGIS from ESRI. Now you're talking real responsibility.
But it's a case study in "hot potato" with each faculty / department saying: "that's not for my backyard, not invented here" and so on. It's not algebra, it's not calculus, it's not STEM (ah, but there you're wrong -- the buck stops here).
It's definitely biz math, but as you've noticed, the biz math people have left the building. Why? Because if you're any good at SQL and stuff that goes with it (e.g LAMP stack), you can probably get a job that pays at least 2x more than high school math teaching, with shorter hours and better benefits.
No one learns about selecting a polygon with GIS extensions to Postgres, unless they're lucky enough to be a summer intern in a real cutting edge business or government entity, such as Metro. Or unless their parents are CEOs and send junior to super expensive XYZ academy on their own dime. Not fair I know. The software is free. What's up with that?
That sucks a lot of life out of it I must say, as the USA's AP stuff is a long way from being the Digital Math I promulgate, which is oh so much better and more relevant. My DM has the Platonic Five, V + F == E + 2, closest packing, octet truss, Bell's Kite, SQL, combinatorics, stats and psychometrics. I mentioned a core syllabus of:
Mathematics for the Digital Age and Programming in Python -- Litvin & Litvin Divided Spheres: Geodesics and the Orderly Subdivision of the Sphere -- Edward Popko The King of Infinite Space -- Siobhan Roberts (a bio)
No, I don't insist everyone explore in this network, but I at least want to open up the territory. When coming at this from the Girl Scouts side, we emphasize our female stars: Ada Byron, Grace Hopper, many more. If they choose Python we introduce them to PyLadies, our national league of women coders ("national" meaning Pythonia here). http://www.pyladies.com/
> > But all of that is beside the point. You can't use Excel or Access to do > anything related to finance if you don't understand the math or the basic > principles of accounting and finance. Imagine a high school that had a two > year program in such topics? You could even sneak in a half semester of > Access at the end. I don't expect the students to become SQL whizzes but at > least they would know a little bit of what is behind their PeopleSoft > screens. However, if I really wanted them to get close to "data" I would > use what we use now (in this century) to get close to data. Tools like > this... > > http://www.tableausoftware.com >
Yes, that's a fun tool. No Fuller Projection though, which ESRI has.
Lots of great learning tools out there.
So tempting to just stay home or sign up with that distance ed school in Russia for their English Edition of Enterprise Skills and Telecommunications.
Why spend hours and hours in a dull Wimp Academy when you could be buzzing along happily in your Russian-made interactive bubble, complete with peer interaction and cool My Little Pony cartoons:
> > There is a 14 day full trial on that site. Download it. Use it. Then in 14 > days come back and tell me about MS Access. > > PS: How the heck did you think I eat gigabytes of raw test data like candy? > > Bob Hansen >
Students should play with large public data sets relating to the life of their own city, township, county, barrio, metro area. When venturing outdoors, they should learn the mass transit system for academic credit, with geocaching sites around town.
No wait, that sounds too much like scouting.
OK, scouting them, whatever. Semi-athletic sometimes, a lot more like PE in some ways, especially when carrying those Google Streets like cameras on your back.