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Topic: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
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Graham Cooper

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Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Posted: Jun 12, 2013 12:25 AM
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On Jun 12, 11:17 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Absolutely Vertical" <absolutelyverti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On 6/8/2013 9:53 PM, Tom Potter wrote:
> >> "Absolutely Vertical" <absolutelyverti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>> On 6/6/2013 10:48 PM, Tom Potter wrote:
> >>>> I suggest that it is okay
> >>>> for people to use their OWN time, money, and minds
> >>>> on religions, astrology, pornography, global warming, etc.

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> >>>> but I don't think the masses should allow
> >>>> people on the public dole

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> >>>> to waste the public's time, money and minds
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> >>>> looping endlessly on the pursuit of information
> >>>> that cannot be justified on the basic of
> >>>> current or projected benefits.

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> >>> short answer is that you are in the minority.
> >>> short answer is that the majority believes that one of the functions of
> >>> government is to take a portion of public funds and allocate it to the
> >>> support of fundamental research that is not tied to practical return on
> >>> investment.

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> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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> >> "In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to
> >> the
> >> people") is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true
> >> because many or most people believe it. In other words, the basic idea of
> >> the argument is: "If many believe so, it is so."

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> >> This type of argument is known by several names, including appeal to the
> >> masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy,
> >> appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority
> >> of
> >> the many, and bandwagon fallacy, and in Latin as argumentum ad numerum
> >> ("appeal to the number"), and consensus gentium ("agreement of the
> >> clans").
> >> It is also the basis of a number of social phenomena, including communal
> >> reinforcement and the bandwagon effect. The Chinese proverb "three men
> >> make
> >> a tiger" concerns the same idea."

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> > in a democratic society, like the united states, policies are in fact
> > driven ad populum, without apology. i believe, in fact, that is the whole
> > idea.

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> >> I suggest that they people who support this approach to society
> >> think that the strongest gang should rule individuals
> >> and the weaker gangs.

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> > certainly, in democratic society, the idea is that the voice of the
> > majority will rule over the voice of the minority.

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> >> It seems to me that the strongest gang approach
> >> is primitive and immoral

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> > and so you're taking the stand that democracy is a primitive and immoral
> > social structure?

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> >> and that rational, intelligent, moral people
> >> should create societies
> >> that protect the rights of individuals and weaker gangs.

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> The buck has to stop SOMEWHERE,
> and the question is
> WHEN the buck should be stopped
> and WHO should stop the buck?
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> Should a single person, ( Like Bush )
> or a single gang
> ( Like the Mass Media, unions, religions, political parties, etc. )
> or the total society ( Democracy )
> be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER?
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> No doubt there must be intermediate "buck stoppers"
> before appealing to a final authority,
> but the majority should be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER.
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> I suggest that rational, intelligent, moral folks
> who REALLY believe in democracy
> should use honest, factual, arguments
> to appeal to buck stoppers at ALL levels,
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> rather than use lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES.
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> It would be best to have the
> summation of pleasure - pain
> for all people
>
> to be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER
> but as this is not possible at this time,
> democracy is the best choice.
>
> And the masses should not allow
> Mass Media or any individual
> or any gang to manipulate them with
> lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES.
>
> The use of lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES
> to manipulate buck stoppers at ALL major levels
> should be a felony.
>
> For example the people
> who used lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES
> to manipulate America into the war against Iraq
> should be prosecuted,
>
> and the people
> who used lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES
> to manipulate America into the Spanish-American war,
> WWI and WWII should be exposed.
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> --
> Tom Potter
>
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Date Subject Author
6/6/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/6/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Sam Wormley
6/6/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/7/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Absolutely Vertical
6/8/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/10/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Absolutely Vertical
6/11/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/12/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Graham Cooper
6/12/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Absolutely Vertical
6/12/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Sam Wormley
6/9/13
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Golshifteh Farahani
6/6/13
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p-0''0-h the cat (ES)
6/6/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Golshifteh Farahani
6/6/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/7/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Absolutely Vertical
6/7/13
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Brian Q. Hutchings
6/8/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/9/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
p-0''0-h the cat (ES)
6/10/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Absolutely Vertical
6/12/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Brian Q. Hutchings
6/9/13
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Golshifteh Farahani
6/7/13
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Norbert_Paul
6/8/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Tom Potter
6/9/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
p-0''0-h the cat (ES)
6/10/13
Read Re: Unbeatable Relativity or Paradigm Shift
Brian Q. Hutchings
6/14/13
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