On 6/11/2013 8:17 PM, Tom Potter wrote: > The buck has to stop SOMEWHERE, > and the question is > WHEN the buck should be stopped > and WHO should stop the buck?
in a democratic society, i believe that is the consensus of the majority.
> > Should a single person, ( Like Bush ) > or a single gang > ( Like the Mass Media, unions, religions, political parties, etc. ) > or the total society ( Democracy ) > be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER? > > No doubt there must be intermediate "buck stoppers" > before appealing to a final authority, > but the majority should be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER.
yes, indeed, even if the majority disagrees with a minority stance such as the one you espouse.
and notice that, as a majority, we have agreed to a constitutional structure by which we _elect_ people to serve for a time as our trusted agents to act on the behalf of the majority. and if they do not do that, then they are removed as our trusted agents and replaced.
> > I suggest that rational, intelligent, moral folks > who REALLY believe in democracy > should use honest, factual, arguments > to appeal to buck stoppers at ALL levels, > > rather than use lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES. > > It would be best to have the > summation of pleasure - pain > for all people > > to be the FINAL BUCK STOPPER > but as this is not possible at this time, > democracy is the best choice. > > And the masses should not allow > Mass Media or any individual > or any gang to manipulate them with > lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES. > > The use of lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES > to manipulate buck stoppers at ALL major levels > should be a felony. > > For example the people > who used lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES > to manipulate America into the war against Iraq > should be prosecuted, > > and the people > who used lies, distortions, and LOGICAL FALLACIES > to manipulate America into the Spanish-American war, > WWI and WWII should be exposed.