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Joe Niederberger

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Re: Is logic part of mathematics - or is mathematics part of logic?
Posted: Jul 3, 2013 2:21 PM
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R Hansen sys:
>Making a living at it? How about just playing a musical instrument period. Or are you suggesting that millions and millions of people play musical instruments?

Of course they do, that's obvious. You'll have to state *your* peculiar standards to make some twisted case that it ain't so. There is also singing, and one needn't be a virtuoso, or even sound all that good *individually*, to join voices with others and make real music.

I'm going to guess you have some very individualistic boundaries around the concept, which is fine, and the notion that they are not just *your* boundaries, which is silly.

(Aside: If I were king of the world for a day, though, I'd decree a lot more emphasis be placed early on on rhythmic training and exercises. I've heard theories that the advance of harmony in western music owes a lot to the prohibition of drums and dancing in church. Be that as it may I think its a huge void today. White people, it seems, really don't got rhythm, by and large. I'm all for the satanic influence that comes from rhythm and dancing. If you have the time, this web page is a real hoot!
http://www.av1611.org/cqguide.html)

R Hansen says:
>When you spoke of teaching logic explicitly I thought you meant to change the status quo and enable the majority of the population to have success with mathematics and reasoning beyond arithmetic and beyond school, rather than the current 5% or so.

No, nor did I say say anything like that, and especially I would have no knowledge of your definition of *success*.
I think you could teach modus ponens to a sixth grader though, and it *may* help. It could help in a small way later if that sixth grader progresses to proof in mathematics. Euclidean geometry could be reinstated, perhaps, in 10th grade. But suppose Johnny has no future in math, I still think its a good thing to be taught. Now this is just a totally random hit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/ff5xo/logiccritical_thinking_classes_in_grade_school/

But I find it amusing that many people think there would be push back based on the "anti-science" crowd, or that it would amount to an "assault on Christianity". Seems the devil may be lurking in those logical connectives, just as he lurks in those drums.

Seems like I'm coming all out for satanism.

Cheers,
Joe N


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