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Topic: Matheology § 300
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 Tucsondrew@me.com Posts: 1,161 Registered: 5/24/13
Re: Matheology § 300
Posted: Jul 7, 2013 4:59 PM

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:57:04 PM UTC-7, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> "Zeit Geist" <tucsondrew@me.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sunday, July 7, 2013 11:26:34 AM UTC-7, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
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> >> "Zeit Geist" <tucsondrew@me.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Sunday, July 7, 2013 2:59:23 AM UTC-7, muec...@rz.fh-augsburg.de
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> >> > wrote:
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> >> >> The old story of the marbles in the urn. In the limit the urn is empty
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> >> >> but the limit of number of marbles is infinite. If limits have to be
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> >> >> calculated by the finite terms, like in mathematics,then this is a
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> >> > You mean the Urn where every marble is eventually removed,
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> >> > and at Noon the Urn is empty?
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> >> That's indeed a patent logical invalidity, already enough to warrant a
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> >> revision of standard set theory.
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> > At t = 0, add marbles labeled 1 and 2.
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> > At t = 1/2, remove 1, and add 3 and 4.
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> > At t = 3/4 = 1 - 1/4, remove 2 and add 5 and 6
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> > In general;
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> > At t = ( 1 - 1/( 2 ^ n ) )remove marble n,
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> > and add marbles 2n + 1 and 2n + 2.
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> > You can, easily, use those equations to
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> > find times, t_a and t_r, when any marble is
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> Indeed, as well as use them to calculate a limit.
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Limits are not used here.
I only need for each n, there is a time t_n < 1 such that
marble n I s removed at time t_n; in order to prove
the vase is empty at time t.

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> > Now, this entire things seems logically invalid,
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> > And IS paradoxical. However, the logic is fine.
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> You are an idiot: it's the conclusion that I am questioning, not the
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> definitions.
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I didn't say you were!
Just stating the details here to be clear.

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> > If you answer "Yes" to those three questions,
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> > then "At t = 1, the Urn is Empty." Is Logically Valid.
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> Of course I would not answer yes to those questions: the rule is 2 in for
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> each 1 out, so you cannot end up empty by any logic that is a logic.
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Look at the questions individually.

Can you do the first one?
Can you do the second?

Is the third the case for the given Supertask.

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> > If you don't believe that we can Mathematically divide
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> > an interval in half infinitely many time, or have All Natural
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> > Numbers, then you had better re-read all of WM's post;
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> > because everything he says follows from that.
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> WM does not use logic, but you do not appear very much to the point either.
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And you are refusing to accept logical conclusions.
The logic is not broken; it just clashes with you preconceived
intuitions that are founded in the finite.

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> Julio

ZG

Date Subject Author
7/7/13 LudovicoVan
7/7/13 Tucsondrew@me.com
7/7/13 LudovicoVan
7/7/13 Tucsondrew@me.com
7/7/13 LudovicoVan
7/7/13 LudovicoVan
7/7/13 Tucsondrew@me.com
7/7/13 LudovicoVan
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7/7/13 LudovicoVan
7/7/13 Tucsondrew@me.com
7/7/13 Virgil
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7/8/13 mueckenh@rz.fh-augsburg.de
7/8/13 Virgil
7/8/13 Tanu R.
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7/9/13 Virgil
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