Sanaa
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Re: Integration with variable limits
Posted:
Aug 16, 2013 1:07 PM


"Torsten" wrote in message <kulcpv$jj9$1@newscl01ah.mathworks.com>... > "Sanaa" wrote in message <kulb7b$qrm$1@newscl01ah.mathworks.com>... > > "Torsten" wrote in message <kul93r$t5q$1@newscl01ah.mathworks.com>... > > > "Sanaa" wrote in message <kul7kv$a10$1@newscl01ah.mathworks.com>... > > > > > > > > > > y_(n+1)=x_n; > > > > > > x_(n+1)= x_n + integration (f(y_(n+1)(s))) ds. > > > > > > > > > > So your final aim is to solve the delay differential equation > > > > > dx(t)/dt = rho*x(tr)*(1x(tr)) > > > > > with x given on an interval of length r at the beginning, r and rho constant over time ? > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Torsten. > > > > > > > > No. I don't want to solve the original delay differential equations, I wish to solve the discrete system after a certain discretization method applied to it. > > > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > But if the discretrization method is given, you are also given how the above integral is approximated. > > > Or are you _searching_ for an adequate discretization method for the delay differential equation ? > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Torsten. > > > > Thanks once again for your kind reply. The discretization method here is very simple, the step methods, I am not searching for the method, i just don't know how to approximate the integral. I have read about trapz and cumtrapz but my only problem now is the variable limits of integration. Using trapz or cumptrapz don't allow me to specify the variable limits; I am really confused. > > First take care that your step length divides r  otherwise you will have trouble. > Say you have the delay differential equation from above > dx/dt = rho*x(tr)*(1x(tr)) > with x given on the interval [r,0]. > Now take a step dt such that dt divides r (say n*dt=r) > x(t+dt)x(t) = integral_{t'=t}^{t'=t+dt} (rho*x(t'r)*(1x(t'r)) dt') > The integral can be approximated by the trapezoidal rule: > integral_{t'=t}^{t'=t+dt} (rho*x(t'r)*(1x(t'r)) dt') ~ > dt*(rho*x(t+dtr)*(1x(t+dtr))+rho*x(tr)*(1x(tr)))/2. > Thus your recursion reads > x(t+dt)=x(t)+dt/2*rho*(x(t+dtr)*(1x(t+dtr))+x(tr)*(1x(tr))) > Inserting n*dt=r gives > x(t+dt)=x(t)+dt/2*rho*(x(t(n1)*dt)*(1x(t(n1)*dt))+x(tn*dt)*(1x(tn*dt))) > or as discrete recursion > x_(k+1)=x_k+dt/2*rho*(x_(k(n1))*(1x_(k(n1)))+x_(kn)*(1x_(kn))) > for k=0,1,2,... > The values x((n1)),x((n2)),...,x(0) are given by the initial condition on the interval > [r,0]. > Does this help ? > > Best wishes > Torsten.
I am sorry for any inconvenience. I want the symbolic integration of the function (whatever the original problem is and whatever the dis. method is); that is, y_(n+1)=x_n; x_(n+1)= x_n + integration (f(y_(n+1)(s))) ds. where f(y(t)) = rho*y(t)*(1y(t)). From the discussion above, I think this task is very difficult. Anyway, thank you very much for your help.

