
Re: Can addition be defined in terms of multiplication?
Posted:
Aug 17, 2013 2:59 AM


Jim Burns wrote:
> > I wonder how Nam defines * without using either + or S.
It is undefined in the theory that Shoenfield calls N, which is Robinson's Q.
> Come to think of it, if I can use S, why can't I just > go ahead and define + in the usual (so far as I know) fashion > x + 0 = x > > x + Sy = S(x + y) > > It seems to me that, if one is going to do arithmetic > without addition, unique prime factorization becomes central. > It might be useful to represent numbers by their prime exponents, > so that > 3 * 4 = 12 > becomes > ( 0, 1, ...) * ( 2, 0, ...) = ( 2, 1, ...) > with special rules for 0, of course. It looks like countably > many copies of N, with only finite many copies nonzero. > Each copy has its own successor function S2(x) = 2*x, > S3(x) = 3*x, ... > > However, I am daunted by the prospect of defining * in > this system. We would need to give rules that explain why > 3 + 4 = 7 > or, rather, why > ( 0, 1, 0, 0, ...) + ( 2, 0, 0, 0, ...) = ( 0, 0, 0, 1, ...) > > >
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