On 09/03/2013 10:56 AM, Louis Talman wrote: > On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 23:36:43 -0600, Greg Goodknight <email@example.com> wrote: > > Other countries don't have the inmates running their K-12 asylums. > As far as I'm concerned, testing is only required in the USA > because of a lack of uniform competence in our K-12 teaching and > administrator corps, and especially among the Ed.D. crowd. > > > It figures. The teachers, you say, are incompetent.
Not all. For example, the ones who reported to the GVSD school board how much more math all the kids were learning using the constructivist Mathland, and that everyone loved it, were arguably not competent; competent teachers might have noticed something amiss *before* the SAT9 reported that, compared to their nationally normed population, that half the kids (virtually all English speaking middle class Euro) were in the bottom quartile in both math and language.
It was the SAT9 STAR exams that pointed to the NCTM '89/California '92(-ish) Frameworks being a mistake, leading to the pedagogy free content standards that are being tossed in favor of the untested (and unfinished) "Common Core".
> And your answer is that, rather than do anything effective about the > teachers, we should test the kids.
How else are you to find out the teaching was ineffective when the administrators are from the same pedagogic gene pool? Testing the kids is also an enabler for "value added", my favorite next step for trying to identify the lowest performing teachers for remediation and pay for performance.
> > Schoolyard bully? Just because I disagree with you? Good work, Greg. > How intellectual of you.
"Oh, dear! Oh, dear! Oh, dear!"
That sort of mocking sarcasm is certainly beneath anything I've seen in engineering, and I suspect you have better self control in faculty meetings. Schoolyard bullying fits.