Am Freitag, 6. September 2013 09:56:06 UTC+2 schrieb Zeit Geist: > On Thursday, September 5, 2013 11:17:28 PM UTC-7, Albrecht wrote: > > > > > > > > > The natural numbers are exact that numbers which are written with a first object which depicts the first number which consists of one object, with a second object which depicts the second number which consists of two objects, with a third object which depicts the third number which consists of three objects, and so on. > > > > > > > How do you "say" First, Second, Third without already having One, Two, Three? > > > > > > > > > ZG
Exact this is what I say: The (actually) natural numbers are prior any reasoning, communication and language.
And the second thing: von Neumann numbers and similar "Dr. Fankenstein creatures" of mathematicians ARE NOT the natural numbers. So, why call them "natural numbers"? Idiocy, improvidence, spoofing?